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03-09-2020, 11:59 AM
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Underneath the radar . . .
How did all this doping go undetected by the testing labs?
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Maybe these indictments will give impetus to the Horse Racing Integrity Act. Last I read the Act had a 4% chance of passing.
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03-09-2020, 12:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blenheim
How did all this doping go undetected by the testing labs?
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Maybe these indictments will give impetus to the Horse Racing Integrity Act. Last I read the Act had a 4% chance of passing . . .
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They make new stuff that isn't tested for to stay out of trouble. Read the indictments when you have a few hours. It is ugly.
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03-09-2020, 12:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blenheim
How did all this doping go undetected by the testing labs?
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Maybe these indictments will give impetus to the Horse Racing Integrity Act. Last I read the Act had a 4% chance of passing . . .
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Because they are synthetic analogues. Many labs knew something was there but they couldnt call a positive with the way the rules are written. Thats why jurisdictions need to group families of drugs ie fentanyl carfentanil morphine derive from same chain.
That way if Mr. Underground Basement lab concocts a customized PED similar yet different to substance x. its still a positive.
Also labs only screen for "x" number of substances in any given test due to the cost but I think that is changing as testing costs come down.
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03-09-2020, 12:10 PM
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How disturbing is it that Servis and Navarro seem chummy and shared info?
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The indictment says that Navarro personally injected X Y Jet with PEDs fifty times "in the weeks leading up to, and on the day of, the race in Dubai."
X Y Jet, of course, died of "an apparent heart attack" on Jan. 8, 2020.
Navarro needs to be in jail for a long, long time.
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03-09-2020, 12:25 PM
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And the poor misguided horseplayer keeps re-adjusting his speed/pace figures in order to cope with these sudden form reversals. 
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03-09-2020, 12:26 PM
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And the poor misguided horseplayer keeps re-adjusting his speed/pace figures in order to deal with these sudden form reversals. |
No adjustments needed, just make them really high 
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03-09-2020, 12:28 PM
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Couple of highlights “lowlights” from the indictment. Just a disgusting read through if you have the time. Details how he killed XY Jet by juicing him 50 times and how Servis gave Max Sec SGF-1000 and bribed a vet essentially to say it was a false positive for a different drug.
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03-09-2020, 12:30 PM
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Results over the past 2-3 months make me think there has been a surge in nefarious usage recently. I want to see every one of the cheaters caught and banned for life.
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03-09-2020, 12:31 PM
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EDITOR'S NOTE: I WAS TRYING TO EDIT A TWEET THAT CJ POSTED FROM NAVARRO'S ACCOUNT BECAUSE IT WASN'T SHOWING UP...APPARENTLY, HE DELETED HIS TWITTER ACCOUNT...LMAO
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03-09-2020, 12:34 PM
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One must wonder if Coolmore will back out of their stud deal with Maximum Security? I imagine this whole situation more likely made a major impact on his worth as a stallion.
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03-09-2020, 12:35 PM
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Guys...we are talking here about juicing some of the best horses in the country. If these limelight trainers are committing these crimes...can you imagine what the low-level trainers, who are struggling to survive, are doing out there? Can you fathom what these $5,000 claimers must be going through?
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03-09-2020, 12:38 PM
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Guys...we are talking here about juicing some of the best horses in the country. If these limelight trainers are committing these crimes...can you imagine what the low-level trainers, who are struggling to survive, are doing out there? Can you fathom what these $5,000 claimers must be going through?
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And in jurisdictions that don't give a rat's ass?
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03-09-2020, 12:39 PM
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How this pig is still training horses is beyond me.
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03-09-2020, 12:40 PM
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I'm a little surprised there aren't a few more famous names on that list. Maybe they have better lawyers.
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03-09-2020, 12:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
Guys...we are talking here about juicing some of the best horses in the country. If these limelight trainers are committing these crimes...can you imagine what the low-level trainers, who are struggling to survive, are doing out there? Can you fathom what these $5,000 claimers must be going through?
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Part of me wonders though if you need certain amount of wealth to afford this level of sophisticated doping? Would low level trainers be able to operate something like that is listed?
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