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Old 11-05-2017, 10:19 AM   #16
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18k Friday, 22k Saturday.

Take a look at my photos in the live thread. Place was empty.
BC says 2 day total was over 70,000+
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:22 AM   #17
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I thought it was good in that a fair mix of horses won not just SoCal specialists.
As far as it not being crowded isn't that a good thing for being an attendee? I see in another thread dilanesp arguing BC makes money on site, not sure about that, from the consumer end it doesn't matter, at least in the short run.
Live attendance is a lot more important than people here think.

It's important because BC sells a lot of expensive tickets and corporate hospitality suites and events, of course.

But it is also important because a big crowd is part of the marketing of the event. If only 15,000 people showed up at the Kentucky Derby, that would be very bad for Churchill Downs, because it would be terrible for their marketing, sending the message to the general public that their event isn't important.

This is why promoters paper houses and pad crowd counts. And it's why most BC's are at SA or CD these days.

Finally, no, a low crowd isn't a good thing for an attendee. It's a good thing for loner horseplayers who just want to stretch out and spend no money other than on coffee and wagering. But it's a terrible thing for all the people who pay hundreds of dollars for the ambience of a great live event. Would it be "good" for the attendees of Del Mar's opening day, who like to show up in beautiful dresses and drink margaritas and party, if they showed up one year and the place was empty? Is an empty bar or dance club "good" because you can stretch out.

The BC only gets a small cut of off track handle. They are putting on an event, and they need a critical mass of people to show up for it. For all sorts of reasons. The last two days diminished the event.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:24 AM   #18
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Looks pretty successful to me. I like that Del Mar isn't speed favoring, exciting finishes.
this was real horse racing at its best. it was the best single day of racing that i can ever remember.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:25 AM   #19
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I guess its not the ideal venue for the BC for many reasons ? Many in the industry said it would not work so I guess they were right.

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Hard to find a place in the States further away from more horseplayers than Del Mar.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:27 AM   #20
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BC says 2 day total was over 70,000+
In the "live" thread, i posted a series of photos taken at the track yesterday. Empty seats, empty aprons, and empty betting lines. I am not the only person saying it too. Apparently the TVG hosts joked about it on air yesterday and someone here posted the quotes.

The crowd counts were vastly inflated. There were nowhere near 30k people on site. My only guess is maybe they counted every ticket distributed, whether or not it was used.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:29 AM   #21
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BC says 2 day total was over 70,000+
Brittnee Eurton spun the turnstiles for two hours before the first race.

Who really cares?
The crown never once affected any of the races, and they are all that matter. I could not care less if Del Mar and the BC lose their asses. They don't care if I lose mine!
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:32 AM   #22
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In the "live" thread, i posted a series of photos taken at the track yesterday. Empty seats, empty aprons, and empty betting lines. I am not the only person saying it too. Apparently the TVG hosts joked about it on air yesterday and someone here posted the quotes.

The crowd counts were vastly inflated. There were nowhere near 30k people on site. My only guess is maybe they counted every ticket distributed, whether or not it was used.
That was me who posted about TVG hosts(Simon & Kurt) and I'm not arguing,just reported what BC released It looked empty to me
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:34 AM   #23
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Live attendance is a lot more important than people here think.

It's important because BC sells a lot of expensive tickets and corporate hospitality suites and events, of course.
All this stuff is presold man, and it was sold out.

Now I wasnt there but sure looks like people were there, on track betting, maybe they just had more space, a better setup, not really sure but I think you selling something that doesnt line up with the numbers.

I have no idea if they will be back, but when you compare it to the outlier places they have gone, other than Keeneland, it seems like a success.
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All this stuff is presold man, and it was sold out.

Now I wasnt there but sure looks like people were there, on track betting, maybe they just had more space, a better setup, not really sure but I think you selling something that doesnt line up with the numbers.

I have no idea if they will be back, but when you compare it to the outlier places they have gone, other than Keeneland, it seems like a success.
It couldn't have been sold out because between 3-4 Eastern the TVG guys were begging people to come out , "If you're in the area , come on out there plenty of room" was what they were saying. So I assume you could pay at the gate
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They set a record on track handle and overall handle was outstanding. It was a big success.
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They set a record on track handle and overall handle was outstanding. It was a big success.
I am very skeptical of the on track handle numbers. Even if we assume Del Mar's announced attendance numbers, the per capita would have to have shot way up. Last year 70k bet 13.5 million, just under $200 per capita. This year an announced 37k allegedly bet 16 million, shooting per capita up to $450.


Remember, the ANNOUNCED on track attendance on Saturday was the lowest in history. And there were no betting lines.

Were there some rich Saudis in the turf club making $100k bets or something? Otherwise, the BC is clearly lying. Maybe they are counting some off track bets in that number.

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I am very skeptical of the on track handle numbers. Even if we assume Del Mar's announced attendance numbers, the per capita would have to have shot way up. Remember, the ANNOUNCED on track attendance on Saturday was the lowest in history. And there were no betting lines.

Were there some rich Saudis in the turf club making $100k bets or something? Otherwise, the BC is clearly lying. Maybe they are counting some off track bets in that number.
All the money bet in the contest counts, and that is a substantial amount. And, no kidding, have you seen those Mongolian guys at the window? They bet more Saturday than I make in a year.
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I'm sure there were a lot of people at Del Mar that are in the 1%, or not far below it. Plenty of big bets being made.
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All the money bet in the contest counts, and that is a substantial amount. And, no kidding, have you seen those Mongolian guys at the window? They bet more Saturday than I make in a year.
But we all know you're way underpaid by TFUS
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