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12-19-2014, 04:52 PM
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For some time the Castros and their government have realised that communism doesn't work.
Since 2010 Cuba has slowly been moving towards a free enterprise system allowing for the privatization of business, farms, and whatever.
The Castros will be out of power by 2018.
A cold war against communism there no longer makes much sense, besides they have the best beaches in the world (even if their infrastructure for increased tourism is not in place).
That Obama acted independently on the policy shift towards Cuba is absolutely wrong.
But in the long run, both Cuba and the U.S. could benefit economically.
http://semancha.com/2014/12/17/us-cuba-its-about-time/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/15/op...rossroads.html
http://www.economist.com/node/21551047
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12-19-2014, 05:07 PM
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Just another Facist
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One question
Why are over half of Cuban's living in Miami against this?
What do they know?
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12-19-2014, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
One question
Why are over half of Cuban's living in Miami against this?
What do they know?
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Old hatreds die hard.
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12-19-2014, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
One question
Why are over half of Cuban's living in Miami against this?
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Because they all have family back in Cuba who are not going to be helped by this?
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12-19-2014, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
The majority of Americans seem to believe that opening relations with Cuba is a good thing, and most of that sentiment seems to be based on concern for the people of Cuba.
I agree with those sentiments, but I also see nothing here for the Cuban people. The details of Obama's imperial decree are vague, but at first glance the only benefit appears to accrue to the Cuban elite.
I have yet to see any evidence here or in the media of any benefit to the average Cuban, and any strengthening of the government is to their detriment. The average American will be unaffected unless they benefit from an increase in trade.
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If you have a company that makes and/or distributes vintage automobile parts, you are sitting on a goldmine. Most of Cuba's vehicles are from the 50's and 60's, kept running by back yard mechanics with high skills and few spare parts.
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12-19-2014, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
One question
Why are over half of Cuban's living in Miami against this?
What do they know?
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The accurate answer is about half are stone cold Cuban's who had everything stolen from them, houses, businesses, and land that was in their family's for generations.
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12-19-2014, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueShoe
If you have a company that makes and/or distributes vintage automobile parts, you are sitting on a goldmine. Most of Cuba's vehicles are from the 50's and 60's, kept running by back yard mechanics with high skills and few spare parts.
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Good point.
Car collectors are going to flock there, too.
Anything in good condition will be in demand.
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12-19-2014, 07:48 PM
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clean money
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
One question
Why are over half of Cuban's living in Miami against this?
What do they know?
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They would logically figure to be the group most against this.
From what little I do know about them it should come as no surprise whatsoever.
These are people, many of whom apparently moved here based upon an anti-Castro sentiment. Some received funding. Many underwent social pressures in the United States, and have publicly declared commitment against Castro-style-Cuba.
These things are very, very important to them and they have adopted them, as part of their culture and as a vocal political stance.
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Last edited by Robert Fischer; 12-19-2014 at 07:50 PM.
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12-20-2014, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
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These are people, many of whom apparently moved here based upon an anti-Castro sentiment.
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Many moved here because they fled the country after the government confiscated their homes and businesses.
NBC News
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12-20-2014, 04:31 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Many fled in make-shift oats, risking drowning, to escape the evil dictator.
The CIA should have found a way of kill Castro long ago. Even at this late day, a the man deserved a drone.
For what reason would we want to have diplomatic relations with the scum of the Earth? Castro has nothing to offer - he is a taker, a thief, a murdered, a useless life form who is a cancer. There nothing about him that was ever good.
I only pray that he is in severe, constant, unbearable pain as he dies.
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Last edited by Tom; 12-20-2014 at 04:35 PM.
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12-20-2014, 04:38 PM
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clean money
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Castro is evil.
I don't know what the deal is?
If we are gaining control over the island, then it makes more sense.
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12-20-2014, 04:53 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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With the loser Obama making the deal, Cuba will end up gaining control over us.
Score so far - them - 8, US - 2.
Not good.
We get to nobody's, they get 8 dangerous, proven enemies to the Us.
Obama is too stupid to know how to negotiate anything.
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12-20-2014, 06:13 PM
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Want to know what's wrong with this country?
Here it is, in a nutshell: Millions of people are
pinning their hopes on a man who has every
chance of returning to the WH, assuming that
he can manage to stay out of prison. Think about it.
Last edited by horses4courses; 12-20-2014 at 06:17 PM.
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12-20-2014, 07:07 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Hey fool, at least learn how to size a photo before you post it.
never mind, I found a technical solution.
Put you on Iggy - then your sloppy posting doesn't screw up threads.
Someone alert me if he ever posts anything intelligent.
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Last edited by Tom; 12-20-2014 at 07:09 PM.
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12-20-2014, 07:11 PM
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Want to know what's wrong with this country?
Here it is, in a nutshell: Millions of people are
pinning their hopes on a man who has every
chance of returning to the WH, assuming that
he can manage to stay out of prison. Think about it.
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