handi 8 for 8 top winners

[lsosa54]

Take this in the proper spirit since the program is free and a multitude of free time has been donated, but with the BRIS $1 DRF file, the program missed race 3 and 7 (had Powerofvoodoo and Brushburn on top, respectively) and in race 2, Sidepocket Lou and Get Off The Sugar were tied.

I'm going to assume that Fight is correct and is most likely using the mcp file. I've brought this problem up before but there should be no difference as according to Raybo, the only extra info in the mcp file is the BRIS RR and CR, which Handifast does not use.

I think to truly make this a free, open source, program for the masses, it needs to work similarly with the lowest cost file, esp since the usable information is the same.

The mcp file is $5 a day or $2 each on the silver or gold plan. For someone like myself who can't handicap everyday and basically plays one circuit, the silver or gold plan are not necessary. In addition, I don't need to pay 5 times the cost to get the RR and CR ratings, which I don't use.

5 for 8 cleanly on top make s a big difference in ROI based on the win mutuels yesterday.

Again, I don't know Liberty Basic and have done no programming, and I do understand all this has been done on a volunteer basis.

[headhawg]

fight uses mcp files. I am also fairly sure that there are some other differences other than the CR and RR. I think that I've posted this before, but during my early testing of HHX I noticed that using mcp files produced ratings in certain columns that the $1 Bris had as zeroes. I may be mistaken -- so I will have to check -- but that's what I remember. If true then the point totals for the horses would indeed be different thus leading to different Top 4 picks.

Also, fight may be using different weights and that may also account for the discrepancy in the picks.

[Roger]

Great Job Handi..And ....LIGHT'S OUT! It is what it is..Chalk or no Chalk...Light, I don't recall you putting up any of you picks from your Magic Machine...Put up or shut up....Nobody needs to listen to this derogatory crap!

[Robert Goren]

Give me a break. The man had eight winners. I don't care if they were 4/5, it is still a heck of a feat. Kudos. I hope you get eight more today. Go get them, Handi.

[Light]

It's not the program that had 8 for 8,its the public that went 8 for 8 without the program. Now if you are so gaga about this and how you would be buying everyone drinks,then tell me what the programs ROI is with horses on top over a period of time. I guarantee you it is in the red. That's why I wouldn't get a hard on for doing well on one day especially a chalky one.

[lsosa54]

Originally Posted by headhawg

fight uses mcp files. I am also fairly sure that there are some other differences other than the CR and RR. I think that I've posted this before, but during my early testing of HHX I noticed that using mcp files produced ratings in certain columns that the $1 Bris had as zeroes. I may be mistaken -- so I will have to check -- but that's what I remember. If true then the point totals for the horses would indeed be different thus leading to different Top 4 picks.

Also, fight may be using different weights and that may also account for the discrepancy in the picks.

You're right HH - Fight didn't specify default settings.

Handi: If it's true about those zeros, can you let us know in what columns they occur, so we can at least manually add the points. As I recall, it's just a matter of adding double the points for the top ranked horse and the actual points in a column for the rest?

[Viruss]

You need to change your name to Darkcloud.

[fast4522]

One of the biggest problems with the new Sartin advanced programs is that it always looks like there is something to beat the chalk. Good code should leave one with the feeling that maybe I should just watch this favorite and pass or bet the favorite. I am not a chalk lover by any means, but honesty with what is in the current race is paramount to survival. So if a software logic dictates favorites one day, and bombs the next while taking its share, great!!
I think I have the burnt out bulb pegged correctly, something free and good is not always good for all. Take the previous line as you wish, and if it fits you to a tee TFB and rots of ruck.

Great going!!!!

[jonnielu]

Originally Posted by fight

at sa today all top winners .

I find it terribly interesting, because if someone were there with no form, and no program, asking the guy sweeping the floor which horse was the favorite, he would have gotten one less winner.... amazing.

Hey, other people might not care... but I'm dying to know if it comes out higher then 40% for the week at the end of tomorrow.

jdl

[dartman51]

If anyone cares, here is how Santa Anita fared with the following 2 programs using MCP files and default settings. As in previous posts, in the MT-6 results I have BOLDED the horses that were BOLDED by the program. For those that may not know, these are horses with a decided advantage over the next closest competitor.

HandiFast HHXv2.1

Race 1
#3 PART TIME LUCK 1.2 200 W

Race 2
#4 SIDEPOCKETLOU 2.1 155 W

Race 3
#6 POWEROFVOODOO 2.1 155 3rd

Race 4
#4 IVORY FUDGE 2.0 160 W

Race 5
#7 KRIS SILVER 2.8 135 W

Race 6
#8 TOTAL BULL 1.6 180 W

Race 7
#8 BRUSHBURN 3.0 130 2nd

Race 8
#8 RENZO SEAN 1.6 180 W


Handi MT-6

Race 1
#3 PART TIME LUCK 1.0 200 W

Race 2
#4 SIDEPOCKETLOU 2.5 155 W
#6 GET OFF THE SUGAR 2.5 155 2nd

Race 3
#4 LULLABYETIME 2.1 195 W

Race 4
#4 IVORY FUDGE 2.0 200 W

Race 5
#7 KRIS SILVER 2.8 185 W

Race 6
#8 TOTAL BULL 1.8 210 W

Race 7
#3 LAMM 2.4 180 3rd

Race 8
#8 RENZO SEAN 1.4 235 W

By any standards, BOTH programs did outstanding. The bottom line is, would you rather cash in on the favorites all day, or play the longshots and come up empty?? Sorry, I just don't understand the negativity.

[Space Monkey]

Sometimes you just have to take what the track gives you. Faves one day, longshots the next. The biggest mistake players make is trying to "beat the favorite", when he doesn't figure to be beaten.

Good job Handi

[dartman51]

Originally Posted by jonnielu

I find it terribly interesting, because if someone were there with no form, and no program, asking the guy sweeping the floor which horse was the favorite, he would have gotten one less winner.... amazing.

Hey, other people might not care... but I'm dying to know if it comes out higher then 40% for the week at the end of tomorrow.

jdl

Here are the results at Santa Anita begining last Sunday. Using MT-6 and defaults only.

Sunday 2/21/10
R2> #5 NORVSKY W $6,80
R3> #3 UNUSUAL ENCOUNTER W $8.00
R5> #4 LEASE OF LIFE W $4.20

Wednesday 2/24/10
R4> #2 UNDERGROUND W $3.20
R>6 #3 TRIBAL JUSTICE W $9.80

Thursday 2/25/10
R2> #5 WILLIE THE FOX W $8.80
R5> #1 RIDE ALONG W 6.40
R7> #6 BAME IT ON THE WINE W $6.00
R8> #10 DEVIL ON THE ROOF W $3.60

Friday 2/26/10
R1> #3 PART TIME LUCK W $3.60
R2> #4 SIDEPOCKETLOU W $3.8
#6 GET OFF THE SUGAR 2nd
R3> #4 LULLABYETIME W $4.00
R4> #4 IVORY FUDGE W $5.00
R5> #7 KRIS SILVER W $7.60
R6> #8 TOTAL BULL W $5.40
R8> #8 RENZO SEAN W $4.20

2/21 3/9
2/24 2/8
2/25 4/8
2/26 7/9 only 8 races, but I counted race 2 twice for the tie.

So far 16/34 =47%

Invested $68.00
Return $90.20

R.O.I 32.64%

This is NOT using some special formula, just the DEFAULTS that come with the program. My opinion is, that this program would be a BARGAIN at 100 times the price you pay.

Say what you want about favorites.... you can't argue with the results.

[Handiman]

No matter what happens, Light will not be satisfied till a program includes some voodoo pace line selection, averages 100% winners at a mutual of $65 or higher. Then and only then will he be impressed or forced to proffer a positive comment.

But that is fine with me. I am not putting in the amount of time I am, for his benefit. I am doing it for all the cappers like me. The human ones. Not the super hero of legendary tales such as Light The Magnificent.

Case in point as it relates to Light's continued bent. I have a little book called 'Superhorse' which I bought years ago. I love that book and it's basic premise. But I can't get it to work really. The key to success with it is all about Pace selection. It proves through it's myriad of examples that you can pick the winner in every race through paceline selection. If you select just the right paceline for every horse, you will win 100% of the races.

And that entails picking the bad paceline for the favorite when they don't win. But who in the hell has that insight or ability. Oh I forgot, Light The Magnificent does. I beg your pardon.

There are many different ways to skin a cat in this endeavor. I don't claim that Handifast is the 'Holy Grail', but damn it, it's a pretty nice little program, and I will put it up against anybody's program. And I mean anybody!

Handi

[headhawg]

Originally Posted by Handiman

No matter what happens, Light will not be satisfied till a program includes some voodoo pace line selection, averages 100% winners at a mutual of $65 or higher. Then and only then will he be impressed or forced to proffer a positive comment.

But that is fine with me. I am not putting in the amount of time I am, for his benefit. I am doing it for all the cappers like me. The human ones. Not the super hero of legendary tales such as Light The Magnificent.

As I've said before the Ignore option is a wonderful thing. But...

...to show you how stream of consciousness works, "Light the Magnificent" reminded me of Flash Gordon's Ming the Merciless, which reminded me of Flesh Gordon's Emperor Wang, which reminded me of these classic lines:

Evil Presence: "How many times do I have to tell you to stand still when I hit you? And stop using those big words!"
(Master) Bator: "Yes, your assHoliness!"

And if the shoe fits...

[Light]

Originally Posted by dartman51

Sorry, I just don't understand the negativity.

It's not about being negative, it's about past posting. Next time you know your software is going to hit 8 out of 8,maybe you should bet the house. What idiot wouldn't? How about I tell you all the wonderful hits my program had after the races. I'm sure you'd buy that. If you want to look more credible,toss out your best Houdini impersonation of what your software will do before the races.