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Old 11-04-2018, 05:46 PM   #46
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id call you a loser degenerate gambler if you dont care if the jockey or horses get hurt.i agree to a new gambler to fork over the money just to get in to wager is ridiculous and once the older patrons die off there will be no one left.

This an opinion and you are entitled to it. Yet trainers run and race hurt and crippled and sick horses everyday at D tracks . Do you call them losers? Do you call track management losers when they turn a blind eye to race fixing? To you call jockeys who go wide on the turn and whip right handed to make it appear they are trying losers? How about the state commission that takes bribes from owners and trainers ? Are they losers?

This game is chock full of people you call losers . When you step into a racetrack 99% of staff and customers are losers .

So while the opinion you hold is fine with me . I simply don't care if a horse snaps a leg or drops dead with a heart attacks during a race and furthermore I could care even less about the passenger said horse has with him.

You seem like the type of person who would get scammed and then not call the police because you are afraid .
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:25 AM   #47
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The people that run the track are very good business people. Corey Johnson, for example, understands all the various groups - stakeholders, constituents and the betting customer. Corey is a handicapper, horse owner, bettor and plays in contests. He has managed Lone Star, manages Kentucky Downs and now is one of the principals at Arizona Downs. C J (his son, who owns horses, bets and plays in contests) is also one of those in charge of Kentucky Downs and helped put it on the map.

My best guess (and I have NO inside information) is the first step is to run a meeting, perhaps two, three or more, and help the circuit, also establishing a brand name for Arizona Downs.

Then at some point they will attempt to establish Historical Horse Racing (HHR). If the pari-mutuel regulations in Arizona are similar to other states, they will be able to get HHR at Arizona Downs. Of course there will be court challenges, but in only a couple of states have those challenges succeeded. When legislators see the $$ flowing into the state treasury in pari-mutuel taxes and corporate taxes, they will get on board.

My belief is they're playing the long game just like they did at Kentucky Downs.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:13 AM   #48
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The people that run the track are very good business people. Corey Johnson, for example, understands all the various groups - stakeholders, constituents and the betting customer. Corey is a handicapper, horse owner, bettor and plays in contests. He has managed Lone Star, manages Kentucky Downs and now is one of the principals at Arizona Downs. C J (his son, who owns horses, bets and plays in contests) is also one of those in charge of Kentucky Downs and helped put it on the map.

My best guess (and I have NO inside information) is the first step is to run a meeting, perhaps two, three or more, and help the circuit, also establishing a brand name for Arizona Downs.

Then at some point they will attempt to establish Historical Horse Racing (HHR). If the pari-mutuel regulations in Arizona are similar to other states, they will be able to get HHR at Arizona Downs. Of course there will be court challenges, but in only a couple of states have those challenges succeeded. When legislators see the $$ flowing into the state treasury in pari-mutuel taxes and corporate taxes, they will get on board.

My belief is they're playing the long game just like they did at Kentucky Downs.

That sounds like a fine plan run by people who are somewhat in touch with the market . You do understand that historical race machines only work in a market like Kentucky that has ZERO existing casinos? You could drop 300 historical race machines into Arizona Downs today and you would still hear crickets .

There is no market here for those. We have full blown casinos every 50 miles in this state . The tribes that run those casinos will never allow it. The law in Arizona is clear . Any new forms of gambling introduced has to be approved by the collective tribal casinos or they can cut there tax obligations to the state itself . Don't think for a second that the state of Arizona would allow there racetracks that contribute next to nothing in revenue to do something that would put a single penny of that at risk.

We are talking about a state that has banned harness racing . Do you understand? Dog racing is gone . The projected yearly tax revenue on sports gambling to the state is projected to be 2.3 million. Do you see how small a number that is?

There is a huge difference between running a 3 week boutique meet in the birth place of horse racing with blue blood full fields and top jockeys as opposed to running a 90 day meet in the high desert with cheap claimers and apprentice jocks and has beens
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Old 11-06-2018, 09:20 AM   #49
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And let's just add that AZ did not allow online ADW wagering forever. Then they did a few years back. Then they changed their mind.

Gaming Div of Racing is an absolute joke here yet no gambler is laughing...
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:16 PM   #50
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And let's just add that AZ did not allow online ADW wagering forever. Then they did a few years back. Then they changed their mind.

Gaming Div of Racing is an absolute joke here yet no gambler is laughing...


100% : Arizona gave up control of the gaming industry when the Native American casinos promised them all the tax revenue with zero investment.

This group has got themselves into a track with zero upside. While they may be able to turn a profit with perfect post time placement on perfect days . Yet for some reason I see them competing on a day like today against the Fingers Lakes and Portland Meadows of the racing world .

Certainly this will fail!
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Old 11-14-2018, 10:30 AM   #51
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Are you claiming you live in or near Arizona?

Cause if you are, I claim you are a liar.
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Old 11-14-2018, 07:57 PM   #52
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Are you claiming you live in or near Arizona?

Cause if you are, I claim you are a liar.

Considering you run this site. Would it be so hard to see my IP where I log in from. Calling me a liar is classy . I live 8 miles from this new project called Arizona Downs . What else would you like me to tell you about Arizona and the pathetic state of racing here?
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Old 11-15-2018, 08:08 AM   #53
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Pardon me for derailing the arguments.

Curious, what is the rationale for AZ not allowing harness racing?
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Old 11-15-2018, 10:13 AM   #54
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Arizona residents are only able to wager on tracks offered by Turf Paradise. You will not be able to wager on any tracks in Arizona or any harness tracks.

Arizona residents are not able to wager online. You may access your account online for handicapping, video streaming, and deposit/withdrawal purposes, but wagers must be placed through our automated telephone wagering system, which is available at 1-888-884-9243. You will not be able to access your account on mobile devices, such as smartphones and tablets.

Arizona residents may not cancel Win wagers $300 or over. Win wagers $299 and below may be canceled online or by calling our Customer Relations department at 1-888-752-9884. All other wager types are subject to TVG's standard wager cancellation policies.

I can't find the reason . I am still looking . I know I had read before why but as you can see above. Those are the laws TVG has to abide by. There is no place in Arizona that you can go and wager on Harness Racing. TVG blocks out all tracks so I can't even watch it without going to the actual tracks websites .

Simply put it makes no sense . There use to be a Harness track in Phoenix . It raced 2 years in the mid 60's and finally was demolished last year . It sat there for 53 years unused????

http://www.phoenixtrottingpark.com/history/


As I stated before the Indian Tribes have a strangle hold on all gaming in this state .Nothing new as far as gaming is coming to the tracks without there approval. End of story
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Old 11-15-2018, 10:34 AM   #55
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Sad how the game is strangled by idiot states left and right.

This is a prefect reason why I fully support off-shore and illegal bookmaking. If you accept the risk, screw the states and their revenue.
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Old 11-15-2018, 11:13 AM   #56
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As I stated before the Indian Tribes have a strangle hold on all gaming in this state .Nothing new as far as gaming is coming to the tracks without there approval. End of story
Actually I'm not sure the tribes had a whole lot to do with with ADW fiasco that lasted for all of a couple years or so. Had a convo with the GM of TP and really it was just the sheer lack of volume coming from AZ churn. Think he said TP got like 5% or so from ADW bets but they can get 15% from their OTBs. If this really is true not sure what kind of volume they projected that could make up this diff.

Someone here actually said they had OTBs in a couple of the tribes casinos back in the 90s or so.

FTR, I use ADWs here in AZ. If they get pissy I just use a VPN. They don't seem to mind what state account funding comes from.
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Actually I'm not sure the tribes had a whole lot to do with with ADW fiasco that lasted for all of a couple years or so. Had a convo with the GM of TP and really it was just the sheer lack of volume coming from AZ churn. Think he said TP got like 5% or so from ADW bets but they can get 15% from their OTBs. If this really is true not sure what kind of volume they projected that could make up this diff.

Someone here actually said they had OTBs in a couple of the tribes casinos back in the 90s or so.

FTR, I use ADWs here in AZ. If they get pissy I just use a VPN. They don't seem to mind what state account funding comes from.
Agreed about ADW and tribal council's . I guess what I am saying is Arizona Downs is hanging it's hat on Historical race machines and Sports wagering. It has been proven twice that the current wagering public in Prescott and Prescott Valley and surrounding areas can not support a stand alone race track . They simply will not be able to garner enough interest in the sport itself . Certain days i'm sure will be busy but a 90 day meet racing 2-3 days a week without additional revenue will bleed money for sure. I had said I have been there and I like what they have done to the place. Super simulcast room geared for the player but the times i have been there . More employees than customers.
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Considering you run this site. Would it be so hard to see my IP where I log in from.
Exactly.

Speaking of classy...kettle meet pot.
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Exactly.

Speaking of classy...kettle meet pot.


Huh: Not exactly sure what that is suppose to even mean . Possibly you don't care for my opinions on certain subjects. Saying I am a liar about living in AZ makes you look like an idiot
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Huh: Not exactly sure what that is suppose to even mean . Possibly you don't care for my opinions on certain subjects. Saying I am a liar about living in AZ makes you look like an idiot
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