Questions about Firenze Fire/Jason Servis

[cj]

I've talked about this so many places I don't remember where I talked about the betting aspect, but it is painfully clear these guys weren't just cheating to steal purses, they were also cheating to steal big chunks of the betting pools.

He didn't win on Saturday, but look at the very late money on Bon Raison Saturday at Aqueduct. His trainer's name ring any bells?

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by cj

He didn't win on Saturday, but look at the very late money on Bon Raison Saturday at Aqueduct. His trainer's name ring any bells?

Just so you know, that was MY money that came in late and got burned up..

[castaway01]

Looking back at the race that started this thread with Firenze Fire in the Dwyer, this was exactly the kind of race that would make a casual fan throw up his fans and say "Forget this." As the horses move down the backstretch, FF is 5-1, then drops right to 5-2 with the odds on screen. And then of course wins like he's got a rocket on his back. Sure, we've all seen that happen, but this wasn't a weekday claimer at Obscure Downs---as documented here, it took a lot of money to do that. Even if I'm a casual bettor, I would definitely think I had no chance against whoever crushed that horse right at post time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muD4vG_VEQc

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by cj

I've talked about this so many places I don't remember where I talked about the betting aspect, but it is painfully clear these guys weren't just cheating to steal purses, they were also cheating to steal big chunks of the betting pools.

He didn't win on Saturday, but look at the very late money on Bon Raison Saturday at Aqueduct. His trainer's name ring any bells?

https://www.drf.com/news/caught-dopi...-second-chance

[tophatmert]

Originally Posted by cj

I've talked about this so many places I don't remember where I talked about the betting aspect, but it is painfully clear these guys weren't just cheating to steal purses, they were also cheating to steal big chunks of the betting pools.

He didn't win on Saturday, but look at the very late money on Bon Raison Saturday at Aqueduct. His trainer's name ring any bells?

Exactly who was betting that money is of interest to me because I know it wasn't the trainers or their buddies. These guys are the worst bettors I have ever seen in my 45 years around the track. If you're hitting a lot of supers and losing money on the bets that you do hit , profitability might be difficult. Who else was getting information about specific horses that was disciplined enough to actually make money off of them? I'm sure there are some owners who might have some "splainin" to do as Ricky Ricardo used to say.

[Tom]

I think I referred to the 2018 Dwyer as the Independence Day Massacre.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

https://www.drf.com/news/caught-dopi...-second-chance

Be nice to have a list compiled of all the horses who get dispersed and who they go to. Would be a perfect article for DRF to print.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by Tom

I think I referred to the 2018 Dwyer as the Independence Day Massacre.

Yea. If anyone still could not form there own opinion, outside of the narrative, social-proof, and authority, - then they don't have the competence and psychology to form a competent opinion, and really should not be jumping on the bandwagon now.

We had an obvious PED situation, and in that instance we also had a major, significant betting coup.

A few people here called it out, when it happened.

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer after the obvious incident

Horse moves up from "Should be running ungraded stakes and OC races at 1-turn[/B]"[/I], to IS NOW TO BE CONSIDERED THE DIVISION LEADER, while he moves down from "Hey I think we have a consensus here that he should be 6-1 he may improve going 1-turn and his trainer is rather hot" to 5/2 SUCKERS! in the last 30 seconds = significant/legitimate topic of concern


... the bold act that we saw in broad daylight on a relatively big stage. ...

I saw a PED horse run well yesterday. There are 10+ major operations who use PEDs on most horses. Multiple others who only use PEDs in spots.

Not every operation even participates in the betting. For some it's all the ownership business and the purse money.

The Dwyer was ABJECT in that it did involve the parimutuel pools, and it was a brazen act on a big stage.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by castaway01

I would definitely think I had no chance against whoever crushed that horse right at post time.

you'd be right

those coordinated doping schemes and betting coups win big over a series of races.