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Old 03-14-2018, 01:30 AM   #31
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Obviously, this guy has no chance of winning this, but the bigger problem is that the racing industry, harness and thoroughbred, and law enforcement, are too easy on the dopers. When a doped horse wins a race, the race was a fixed race. Attempting to alter a sporting contest is a felony and the guilty parties should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. They should go to jail.
"If you don't cheat, you look like an idiot; if you cheat and don't get caught, you look like a hero; if you cheat and get caught, you look like a dope." Darrell Waltrip.

Racing is racing. Difference in horse racing is that trainers and acquaintances can bet vs their customers.

I've been waiting for well over a decade for this to happen. It is a fixed race by definition.

If they could somehow link the pattern of administration, non- administration of "performance enhancing (and weakening) substances - legal or otherwise, to betting patterns they could do it. Or even keeping a terminal open after the start.

But there's no incentive. Handles hold, bonuses and tickets are cashed. Family protects family - until they can't.

This is said from the outside looking in = conjecture. Take it for what it's worth.

P.S. The sport can be fun and beautiful at it's best = Bolt d'Oro vs McKinzie.
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Old 10-04-2018, 03:50 PM   #32
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Guys? each race you handicap the factor of a trainer using milkshakes. Its just fact...

You bet on the super bowl, call the quarterbacks wife and ask her if she was a bitch all morning.. lol.. you'll probably pick the winning team every year after.

Handicapping is beyond what you see, feel, or know.. its what just happens before or even during the bet takes place.
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Old 10-04-2018, 04:50 PM   #33
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So we should EXPECT that the game is rigged and that trainers are going to cheat?

You should be in PR for casinos.
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Old 10-04-2018, 08:19 PM   #34
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Most state laws and the rules of racing says that the racetrack pays off on the "official" winner. If a horse is later disqualified for any reason that would not change the fact that the horse was the winner when the race was declared "official". Thus a lawsuit would have no merit as the track was following the rules and the mutual department did what they had to do by law. I can't think of any way to change this as the drug tests usually take about a week to clear. I'm sure nobody wants to wait a week to get paid.
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My bets have repeatedly run second to several of Karl Broberg's new acquisitions. I wonder if I too have a legal leg to stand on...
BTW (completely off topic) I'd like to formally thank you for having mercy on me and staying out of my head to head match ups this week. Most appreciated. Sorry for being off topic. Come to think of it. Maybe it's not. I'd like to have you tested for PED's after our contests. I'm calling my lawyer Bombastic Buskin right now.
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Its a no win situation because of what others have said. Once its official, and paid out according to the rules the track is off the hook. But I can see a claim vs. trainer because there is an injured party and the trainer is responsible for that fact. I think some people don't understand the law. The amount and who sues does not matter. Many of these suits are settled for a buck. Just for proving who is wrong or right. If there was a victory it would not matter if its PETA or if its for a dollar. The precedent would be set for other suits and the flood gates would open...Ö.if lawyers saw one win of this type of suit, things would change in a hurry!
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BTW (completely off topic) I'd like to formally thank you for having mercy on me and staying out of my head to head match ups this week. Most appreciated. Sorry for being off topic. Come to think of it. Maybe it's not. I'd like to have you tested for PED's after our contests. I'm calling my lawyer Bombastic Buskin right now.
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These suits never get resolved in the bettors receiving their winning bet. I have seen suits like this go back about 30 years. It is a rigged game against the bettor. The owners on the other hand will be handed a purse. Just the way the game is played. If you held tracks responsible for these errors and made them make restitution to bettors,the game probably would be in bettor shape. Just my opinion.
The owners donít get paid until all drug test results are in.
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Seems the moral here is better to be the cheater than the cheated.
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