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08-20-2018, 10:26 PM
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- You gotta couple the entries if you are going to use tactics like that. This was a brazen act with the
 jock dueling and chirping the favorite  in order to set up the uncoupled entry. The subtle use of multiple entries for the same trainer and partnerships/teamwork is a widespread problematic loophole in the rule that I don't know the solution to, other than wariness. This was not subtle, it was a brazen act, and there needs to be a rule to protect bettors allowing trainers to couple for tactics or face fines.
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 doing?? Was he too uncoordinated to both use a buzzer and smoothly drive the horse through the wire? Was he trying to save the n1x condition? Was he having a stroke??
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08-20-2018, 10:29 PM
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I'm not sure how anyone could defend that, but I'm also certain somebody will try.
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08-20-2018, 11:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I'm not sure how anyone could defend that, but I'm also certain somebody will try.
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Who was the jockey in Louisiana that claimed heat stroke? This guy might say the same thing.
GP is pathetic with its 6 to 8 minute delays in getting horses to the post. Now they allow three or four family members (Maragh's) to seemingly predetermine the outcome of a race. This is a track that sucks.
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08-20-2018, 11:58 PM
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I think in many cases the people charged with regulating horse racing really don't understand the game on the level required to do their jobs.
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08-21-2018, 12:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trifecta
Who was the jockey in Louisiana that claimed heat stroke? This guy might say the same thing.
GP is pathetic with its 6 to 8 minute delays in getting horses to the post. Now they allow three or four family members (Maragh's) to seemingly predetermine the outcome of a race. This is a track that sucks.
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08-21-2018, 12:17 AM
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Thanks, turf.
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08-21-2018, 08:51 AM
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No doubt that some little nudge of effort and the horse wins. I just don’t see any motivation for the jockey to not try to win the race . NONE. If the horse was held back from winning and some fix type thing was in there is AlWAYS money involved. Nothing points to that.
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08-21-2018, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ZippyChippy423
No doubt that some little nudge of effort and the horse wins. I just don’t see any motivation for the jockey to not try to win the race . NONE. If the horse was held back from winning and some fix type thing was in there is AlWAYS money involved. Nothing points to that.
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Three of the horses were controlled by two brother trainers and a related jockey, one that dueled the favorite into defeat, and at least one obviously didn't try. I personally don't think the other one looked all that interested in winning the race either though he wasn't any good anyway.
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08-21-2018, 09:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ZippyChippy423
No doubt that some little nudge of effort and the horse wins. I just don’t see any motivation for the jockey to not try to win the race . NONE. If the horse was held back from winning and some fix type thing was in there is AlWAYS money involved. Nothing points to that.
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They do allow wagering on these races you know...someone put in a few tickets for the rider to be 2nd in exactas? He clearly wasn't trying to win and that's all that matters, and should matter, to the public betting on the race.
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08-21-2018, 10:04 AM
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whoever claimed the was fortunate to save the condition
This was like an episode from "Luck".
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08-21-2018, 01:40 PM
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Been saying uncoupled entries was a disaster from day 1.
Folks just get used to being robbed.
You can collude with another trainer, but its a lot messier. He catches you cheating with his wife, you might have a problem.
When it's all you....it's all you.
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08-22-2018, 01:22 PM
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08-22-2018, 01:51 PM
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About freaking time a racing jurisdiction sent a message to a rider for not trying.
Imo, if you are going to allow multiple uncoupled entries in the same race:
Suspending riders for not trying is absolutely the right thing to do.
-jp
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08-22-2018, 02:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff P
About freaking time a racing jurisdiction sent a message to a rider for not trying.
Imo, if you are going to allow multiple uncoupled entries in the same race:
Suspending riders for not trying is absolutely the right thing to do.
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When it comes down to it we really need a law enforcement agency to look into some of these things.
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08-22-2018, 02:29 PM
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Felt weak and might fall off...
This guy has some balls.
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