The Jabbed in Europe Ain't Doin' So Swell

[boxcar]

Horowitz: Record infections in super-vaxxed UK seniors as double-vaxxed show negative efficacy against COVID death

Just because Volodymyr Zelenskyy is the new Fauci, it doesn’t mean COVID is over. In fact, cases are surging in many European countries, and U.K. seniors are now experiencing record numbers. “Covid infections surge to record high for over-70s in UK” was the title of a Financial Times article from Friday. But how can there be record infections precisely after nearly every senior was vaccinated and 90% were boosted, even though many already have had prior infection? Or are the record infections because of the shots, not despite them, and does this mean that they are preventing people from achieving immunity?

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horow...reaking%20News

The jabbed are doing so bad over there, that there's a negative efficacy to those toxic drugs. But I''m sure 46er or Mosty will tell us how to turn a negative into a positive any moment now.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

The jabbed are doing so bad over there, that there's a negative efficacy to those toxic drugs. But I''m sure 46er or Mosty will tell us how to turn a negative into a positive any moment now.

Consider the source!

[Jeff P]

Fyi, the actual source is data published by Public Health England, Public Health Scotland, and Germany etc.

And over the past few months that data has absolutely been showing the same worsening trend for the vaccinated.


-jp

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[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Jeff P

Fyi, the actual source is data published by Public Health England, Public Health Scotland, and Germany etc.

And over the past few months that data has absolutely been showing the same worsening trend for the vaccinated.


-jp

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Libs only trust U.S. public health officials.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Libs only trust U.S. public health officials.

I trust science. If vaccines are working on this side of the Atlantic and not working on the other side then we need to find out why. In this instance medical science applies. There are scientists who specialize in this. They are called doctors.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Actor

I trust science. If vaccines are working on this side of the Atlantic and not working on the other side then we need to find out why. In this instance medical science applies. There are scientists who specialize in this. They are called doctors.

You know what they call the worst student in medical school?



Doctor.

[Jeff P]

The root cause driving the trend being reported in the article at the top of this thread is that vaccine effectiveness or VE fades over time.

Fading VE wasn't seen or reported in Pfizer's clinical vaccine trial data because the trial period was too short for fading VE to manifest itself.

Large scale rollout of the mRNA vaccines happened overseas in countries like Israel, England, Scotland, etc. months before rollout in a big way happened here in the US.

Fast forward more than a year and Fading VE has absolutely been manifesting itself and for several months now in countries like Israel, England, Scotland, etc. where vaccine rollout happened first.

Don't take my word that VE is real.

Check out the most recent weekly vaccine surveillance report at the gov.uk site.

COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report 24 March 2022:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt-week-12.pdf

From page 4:

Effectiveness against symptomatic disease

Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic COVID-19 has been assessed in England based on community testing data linked to vaccination data from the National Immunisation Management System (NIMS), cohort studies such as the COVID Infection Survey and GP electronic health record data. After 2 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, vaccine effectiveness against the Omicron variant starts at 45 to 50% then drops to almost no effect from 20 weeks after the second dose. With 2 doses of Pfizer or Moderna effectiveness dropped from around 65 to 70% down to around 10% by 25 weeks after the second dose. Two to 4 weeks after a booster dose of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, effectiveness ranges from around 60 to 75%, dropping to 25 to 40% from 15+ weeks after the booster. Vaccine effectiveness estimates for the booster dose are very similar, irrespective of the primary course received (3). Vaccine effectiveness is generally slightly higher in younger compared to older age groups.

From page 8:

Effectiveness against hospitalisation

Several studies have estimated vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation in older ages, all of which indicate higher levels of protection against hospitalisation with all vaccines against the Alpha and Delta variants (6, 7, 8, 9). Vaccine effectiveness against a range of hospitalisation outcomes with the Omicron variant has been estimated using a test-negative case control study design (Table 1, 10). Among 18-64 year olds using all Covid-19 cases admitted via emergency care VE after a booster peaked at 82.4% and dropped to 53.6% by 15+ weeks after the booster; using all admissions for >-= 2 days with a respiratory code in the primary diagnostic field VE ranged from 90.9% down to 67.4%; further restricting to those on oxygen/ventilated/on intensive care VE ranged from 97.1% down to 75.9%. Among 65+ year olds the equivalent VE estimates were 92.4% down to 76.9%; 91.3% down to 85.3% and 95.8% down to 86.8%. Given that Omicron generally causes milder disease than previous variants, in particular among younger individuals, and that all individuals who are hospitalised for any reason in the UK are tested for COVID-19, an increasing proportion of individuals hospitalised with a positive COVID-19 test are likely to have COVID-19 as an incidental finding rather than the primary reason for admission. This can be seen in the vaccine effectiveness estimates against hospitalisation, whereby outcomes using broad definitions for hospitalisation give lower estimates that are likely more reflective of vaccine effectiveness against infection. Whereas definitions of hospitalisation that are more specific to severe respiratory disease give higher vaccine effectiveness estimates with less evidence of waning. This is also likely to explain the higher vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation in 65+ year olds compared to 18-64 year olds. There appears to be little variation in vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation after a booster dose according to the type of vaccine used for priming or boost (10).

From page 10:

Effectiveness against mortality

High levels of protection (over 90%) are also seen against mortality with all 3 vaccines and against both the Alpha and Delta variants with relatively limited waning (6, 11, 12). Vaccine effectiveness against mortality with the Omicron variant has been estimated for those aged 50 years and older by combining the risk of becoming a symptomatic case with the risk of death among symptomatic cases in vaccinated (all vaccines combined) compared to unvaccinated individuals (Table 2). At 25-plus weeks following the second dose, vaccine effectiveness was around 60% while at 2 or more weeks following a booster vaccine effectiveness was 95% against mortality.

Fading VE is real.

And so is the worsening trend in the overseas data these past several months.

All you have to do to confirm that is look at the data from countries like Israel, England, and Scotland, etc. where the vaccines were rolled out first.

And to be clear, I agree with you Actor.

Science is science.

Our data here in the US is on the same trajectory as the overseas data from a few months ago.

But our data here in the US lags the overseas data by a few months because they rolled out the vaccines before we did.



-jp

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[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Jeff P

The root cause driving the trend being reported in the article at the top of this thread is that vaccine effectiveness or VE fades over time.

Fading VE wasn't seen or reported in Pfizer's clinical vaccine trial data because the trial period was too short for fading VE to manifest itself.

Large scale rollout of the mRNA vaccines happened overseas in countries like Israel, England, Scotland, etc. months before rollout in a big way happened here in the US.

Fast forward more than a year and Fading VE has absolutely been manifesting itself and for several months now in countries like Israel, England, Scotland, etc. where vaccine rollout happened first.

Don't take my word that VE is real.

Check out the most recent weekly vaccine surveillance report at the gov.uk site.

COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report 24 March 2022:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt-week-12.pdf

From page 4:


From page 8:


From page 10:


Fading VE is real.

And so is the worsening trend in the overseas data these past several months.

All you have to do to confirm that is look at the data from countries like Israel, England, and Scotland, etc. where the vaccines were rolled out first.

And to be clear, I agree with you Actor.

Science is science.

Our data here in the US is on the same trajectory as the overseas data from a few months ago.

But our data here in the US lags the overseas data by a few months because they rolled out the vaccines before we did.



-jp

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The trial period was short because we were facing a catastrophe. Having a vaccine that might lose effectiveness over time, was better than having no vaccine at all. The solution is boosters as needed and continued research into new, more effective vaccines. It is not boxcars stupidity.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Tom

You know what they call the worst student in medical school?



Doctor.

The worst student in Medical school doesn’t last past the first semester.
And even the worst graduate is still quite good.

[PaceAdvantage]

Question...if the mRNA vaccines are based solely on the SPIKE PROTEIN (which I believe they are), is the SPIKE PROTEIN different on every variant that arises?

I thought the whole point of using the SPIKE PROTEIN was so that it would continue to be effective against the original virus and subsequent variants.

Or does the actual SPIKE PROTEIN also change?

These are easy questions to answer, if the process were actually transparent.

But why would there be transparency...when the FDA was originally looking to PREVENT RELEASE OF THE PFIZER TRIAL STUDY DATA FOR 75 FREAKIN' YEARS!?!?!?!

[Tom]

*Ring, ring*

"Hello, City Morgue. You jab 'em, we slab 'em."

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The trial period was short because we were facing a catastrophe. Having a vaccine that might lose effectiveness over time, was better than having no vaccine at all. The solution is boosters as needed and continued research into new, more effective vaccines. It is not boxcars stupidity.

Yet for all that bluster, the "vaccines" did little to slow covid let alone stop it. Being "vaccinated" and boostered has shown to be a mirage. Many people have gotten covid after being boostered. I am one of those that also doesn't believe that the "vaccine" provides lesser symptoms if you get covid. That sounds eerily similar to the other BS stories during this pandemic.

The final story on covid years from now will be that the virus ran its course the way it intended to run its course with or without our participation. Two weeks to slow the curve, masking, social distancing, vaccines, boosters, shutdowns. None had any long term effect on what covid eventually did. Sweden is the only country that got it right and bucked the orthodoxy of science.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The trial period was short because we were facing a catastrophe. Having a vaccine that might lose effectiveness over time, was better than having no vaccine at all. The solution is boosters as needed and continued research into new, more effective vaccines. It is not boxcars stupidity.

You're a liar. There was never a "catastrophe" with covid. The catastrophe was a manufactured one! Besides, you conveniently forget it was discovered fairly quickly in this "pandemic" that there were at least two off-label treatments for covid which were very effective and had virtually no side effects to boot!

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The worst student in Medical school doesn’t last past the first semester.
And even the worst graduate is still quite good for only God knows what.

FTFY

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Question...if the mRNA vaccines are based solely on the SPIKE PROTEIN (which I believe they are), is the SPIKE PROTEIN different on every variant that arises?

There are some differences, but I'm not enough of an expert to explain them.

One of the reasons suggested that prior infection has been shown to be superior is that you don't just build immunity to ever changing spikes. You build immunity to the entire virus. The entire virus changes less.