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11-25-2019, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
It is profitable, I've posted about it before. I couldn't find the thread though. It's far from numerology.
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74-1 shots are always going to have some holes. This one was working well, had figures that stacked up well and wasn't dropping in class. You aren't going to get bombs that look like standouts.
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11-25-2019, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
You mentioned it, and apparently it wasn't a problem. 
ZIA PArk Free race today - coming up in 13 minutes - PP says Fast Pace.
Top two LP horses by a good margin are:
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Let's see what happens.
CJ - question on this race - #1 EP has a 9 point advantage - is that roughly 2 lengths? ( 1 length = 10 pts?) |
Traveling today, just checked in to hotel in Vegas. Sorry if this is late. 5 points is a length on the Pace Projector though.
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11-25-2019, 06:58 PM
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clean money
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Originally Posted by AltonKelsey
Horse probably paid way too much, but focusing on a single data point like this will always produce huge prices, sometime, randomly .
It's a form of numerology. 
Now, if you can show a decent sample, where this angle is profitable or at least better than a random takeout loser, we can talk about it. |
lot of ways to use the tool
The chalk,  NEXT GEN was a very 'keyable' horse for Hronis stable, 1st-off-the-claim, 90+ days, rave-review workouts, and absolutely on fire on the Tote(in general & vs. the morning line)...
$1 Exacta $342.90
I would be pissed if I keyed in exactas and saved a $buck, by tossing the  ...
those are the kind of decisions where you have to be efficient and not carry dead-weight horses (Like the $4 additional it would have cost to include the dead-weight horses  RHINESHAFT, and the  MAYAN WARRIOR, in the exacta 'key'), but you want understand models and not miss the black swans, by excluding a really big price who happens to have some significant models in their favor...
I've been thinking about doing the 'unlimited' package, maybe in time for the Oaklawn meet. Saves some time and gives you an instant pace projection, in addition to the PPs and charts. That has a value.
At least for me, it's not going to make me wealthy or do the work for me, but it's a tool.
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11-26-2019, 01:59 PM
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as I have pointed out, the fast pace pace/fall apart race flow are a much better long shot play then the opposite, the prices tend to be bigger overlays and less obvious to the betting public.
Nice to see Ron M win a race here and there. He was very nice the time or two I met him.
Last edited by GMB@BP; 11-26-2019 at 02:02 PM.
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11-26-2019, 04:57 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Originally Posted by cj
74-1 shots are always going to have some holes. This one was working well, had figures that stacked up well and wasn't dropping in class. You aren't going to get bombs that look like standouts.
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You might not like the horse at 9-5, but at 74-1.......
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11-26-2019, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
You might not like the horse at 9-5, but at 74-1.......
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my favorite people in racing are those that bet one run closers at 9/5!!!!
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12-05-2019, 03:11 PM
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Hey CJ / TimeformUS
Not sure if CJ's pms are full
1st time tried to purchase today, when I tried to add a credit card, the "ADD CARD" button did not work.
Is there an issue w/ Chrome?
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12-05-2019, 10:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
Hey CJ / TimeformUS
Not sure if CJ's pms are full
1st time tried to purchase today, when I tried to add a credit card, the "ADD CARD" button did not work.
Is there an issue w/ Chrome?
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I just wasn't around, answered as you already know. Did I get you pointed in the right direction?
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12-07-2019, 05:50 PM
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clean money
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I just wasn't around, answered as you already know. Did I get you pointed in the right direction?
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Thanks.
Got it to work on Microsofte Edge/internet-explorer.
Tried a few cards. Starting to get a feel for the TimeformUS pps.
I like it. Was at a Veterans Hospital for in-law's heart surgery, and they had a filter blocking brisnet, but I could get timeform to work, so that was cool.
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12-07-2019, 05:51 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
Thanks.
Got it to work on Microsofte Edge/internet-explorer.
Tried a few cards. Starting to get a feel for the TimeformUS pps.
I like it. Was at a Veterans Hospital for in-law's heart surgery, and they had a filter blocking brisnet, but I could get timeform to work, so that was cool.
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Yeah, I slip the VA a little extra to block BRIS, one of my retiree benefits.
Glad all is well. You ever have any questions, fire away.
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12-14-2019, 10:17 AM
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clean money
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gift that keeps on giving
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Originally Posted by cj
Yeah, I slip the VA a little extra to block BRIS, one of my retiree benefits.
Glad all is well. You ever have any questions, fire away. |
You guys... 
like the product. Finally getting the hang of everything. May do the unlimited Oaklawn, or sooner (this month I probably got half-way to the price of Unlimited, with individual purchases)...
Generous exacta yesterday at los al, using two logical failed speeds from the Tiz-a-Longshot race posted. I had a third horse, the fav, as a negative trip note, so all went well. 
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12-14-2019, 10:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
You guys...
like the product. Finally getting the hang of everything. May do the unlimited Oaklawn, or sooner (this month I probably got half-way to the price of Unlimited, with individual purchases)...
Generous exacta yesterday at los al, using two logical failed speeds from the Tiz-a-Longshot race posted. I had a third horse, the fav, as a negative trip note, so all went well. |
There's a lot of good value added good information at TF, but I may be biased because I worked there for a couple of years during the launch period. :-)
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01-07-2020, 11:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
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like the product. Finally getting the hang of everything. May do the unlimited Oaklawn, or sooner (this month I probably got half-way to the price of Unlimited, with individual purchases)...
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had a lucky day at Parx yesterday with some trip-notes, and some opinions happened to work out.
Purchased the 'Unlimited' packaged this morning.
Charts are an instant reward.
Have yet to play around with the race filter thingy.
Still more familiar w/ the Brisnet PPs, but slowly converting.
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01-07-2020, 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
had a lucky day at Parx yesterday with some trip-notes, and some opinions happened to work out.
Purchased the 'Unlimited' packaged this morning.
Charts are an instant reward.
Have yet to play around with the race filter thingy.
Still more familiar w/ the Brisnet PPs, but slowly converting. |
Very easy to watch replays as well. Agree chart access is outstanding.
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01-07-2020, 11:52 AM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
had a lucky day at Parx yesterday with some trip-notes, and some opinions happened to work out.
Purchased the 'Unlimited' packaged this morning.
Charts are an instant reward.
Have yet to play around with the race filter thingy.
Still more familiar w/ the Brisnet PPs, but slowly converting. |
I do probably 60% of my handicapping in the charts.
As for the look, I hated it at first. I wanted traditional looking PPs. But now I can't look at Formulator and be comfortable. It took me a week or two at most.
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