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Old 09-08-2014, 06:21 PM   #211
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Will this get "left alone" by the feds if the sports leagues don't challenge it?

Adam Silver, NBA Commish, seems to want sports betting, if i'm reading in between the lines correctly.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-...ing-inevitable
I am sure that the NCAA does not share Silver's views.
College kids gambling, we can't have any of that.

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Old 09-08-2014, 06:34 PM   #212
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I am sure that the NCAA does not share Silver's views.
College kids gambling, we can't have any of that.
So what's been happening for years in Vegas needs to go away too?
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Old 09-08-2014, 06:49 PM   #213
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Old 09-08-2014, 06:51 PM   #214
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Only Congress can change laws, and this is what the federal judge will tell Christie.
That's the beauty of the directive; it changes NO laws.

It simply deregulates sports betting in New Jersey in casinos and racetracks.

well anyway the answer will come from Federal court on October 6th.

perhaps you are right, we shall see.

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Old 09-08-2014, 06:55 PM   #215
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The decision makers at MP did a great job getting this through. MP now is a competitive venue with NYRA. And there is a lot more to come!
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:05 PM   #216
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From the third circuit opinion;

Thus, under PASPA, on the one hand, a state may repeal its sports wagering ban, a move that will result in the expenditure of no resources or effort by any official. On the other hand, a state may choose to keep a complete ban on sports gambling, but it is left up to each state to decide how much of a law enforcement priority it wants to make of sports gambling, or what the exact contours of the prohibition will be.

We agree that these are not easy choices.

And it is perhaps true (although there is no textual or other support for the idea) that Congress may have suspected that most states would choose to keep an actual prohibition on sports gambling on the books, rather than permit that activity to go on unregulated. But the fact that Congress gave the states a hard or tempting choice does not mean that they were given no choice at all, or that the choices are otherwise unconstitutional. See United States v. Martinez-Salazar, 528 U.S. 304, 315 (2000) (“A hard choice is not the same as no choice.”); see also F.E.R.C., 456 U.S. at 766 (upholding a choice between expending state resources to consider federal standards or abandoning field to federal regulation).

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Old 09-08-2014, 09:38 PM   #217
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I really don't understand the fuss about this. Delaware has parlay cards and full books set up at the tracks. The feds shut them down on taking single wager bets. They were grandfathered in before it was illegal. New Jersey can pass anything it wants and it makes no difference without the feds blessing.
As I understand the federal law, privately owned, as opposed to state operated or regulated sports betting is not covered.
There's nothing the federal courts can do about it.
Again, as I understand it.
Of course now the expectation is for the casinos to run a clean operation. No screwing around with the odds. Winners get paid. And of course keeping organized crime ( not just the mafia) out.
There are other gangsters that would just LOVE to get on the inside of a sports book in a casino
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Old 09-08-2014, 09:42 PM   #218
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Only Congress can change laws, and this is what the federal judge will tell Christie.
NJ Isn't changing anything.
The operators of any sports book are not under the regulatory powers of the State. NJ Is under no obligation to enforce federal statutes.
In fact when Gov Jan Brewer of Arizona TRIED to enforce federal immigration laws, the Obama admin slapped the State of AZ with a lawsuit.
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Old 09-08-2014, 09:46 PM   #219
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I am sure that the NCAA does not share Silver's views.
College kids gambling, we can't have any of that.
So, they'll either gamble legally, or illegally. This won't stop people who want to bet from getting a bet down. But, if you legalize it, you can monitor it.
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in order for New Jersey to get sports gambling, they are going to need a constitutional amendment. that means that 66 2/3 of the states have to ratify it.

they had their shot to get sports gambling, instead they wanted Christie Todd Whitman to be governor there, they made sure they kept legalized sports gambling off the ballot that year.
It's not a Constitutional question. PASPA is merely legislation. And to repeal PASPA all that is required is for the House to write legislation that makes legal that which PASPA now states is illegal, get the bill into committee, pass it through the full house and send it to the Senate. They then send it through committee and if there are no changes in the language that require the bill to be sent back to the House for amendments, the Senate would vote. If it passes, the bill then goes to the president to sign, veto or table.
The federal government in passing PASPA left a large hole in the language. The law states that none of the 50 states may pass laws permitting betting on sports. MT DE OR And NV already had it so they are grandfathered.
By issuing the directive, Christie simply gave the the casinos the ok to start offering sports betting. The state will not operate nor regulate.
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Old 09-08-2014, 09:57 PM   #221
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I am sure that the NCAA does not share Silver's views.
College kids gambling, we can't have any of that.
College kids gamble more than any other demographic group other than people over 55
Anyway, its so hypocritical. I think it is so stupid that because one happens to be standing on a piece of soil outside the state of Nevada can't make a bet ( legally) on a football game. It's just idiotic.
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College kids gamble more than any other demographic group other than people over 55
Anyway, its so hypocritical. I think it is so stupid that because one happens to be standing on a piece of soil outside the state of Nevada can't make a bet ( legally) on a football game. It's just idiotic.
Agreed, the same holds true when it comes to having an online or phone account for horse racing when you live in the state of Nevada.
You cannot have an account outside the state of Nevada when you are a resident of Nevada. Why???
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In the meantime, the AC downward spiral continues.

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Old 09-09-2014, 12:01 PM   #224
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Agreed, the same holds true when it comes to having an online or phone account for horse racing when you live in the state of Nevada.
You cannot have an account outside the state of Nevada when you are a resident of Nevada. Why???
The power of the casinos.
When you live in Nevada, you bet in Nevada.
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