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05-14-2020, 12:54 AM
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Just another Facist
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Rand Paul on Corona, gets it right
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05-14-2020, 01:33 AM
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Yes but now we will be in the war with liberals from coast to coast to stand down and not work. I do believe our country is too obese, smokes too much, and generally speaking would have taken a greater hit in deaths had we not taken measures. I just do not think any exit strategy from this exists without a fight from the socialist. The President would fire Fauci in a heartbeat, but that will be another attack from Pelosi.
Last edited by fast4522; 05-14-2020 at 01:36 AM.
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05-14-2020, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
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He knows what everyone already knows.
Antibodies work on monkeys.lol humans unproven.
Huge headline there.
Allan
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05-14-2020, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
He knows what everyone already knows.
Antibodies work on monkeys.lol humans unproven.
Huge headline there.
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I think the people who have had COVID & received antibody plasma from others who had it earlier would disagree with that.
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05-14-2020, 03:10 PM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
He knows what everyone already knows.
Antibodies work on monkeys.lol humans unproven.
Huge headline there.
Allan
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you cant be this stupid? you're just being obtuse on purpose
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05-14-2020, 03:15 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
you cant be this stupid? you're just being obtuse on purpose
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Oh no? 
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05-14-2020, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Stevecsd2
I think the people who have had COVID & received antibody plasma from others who had it earlier would disagree with that.
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Anecdotal. I want real evidence.
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05-14-2020, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
you cant be this stupid? you're just being obtuse on purpose
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Where is the controlled studies on human beings?
That’s a small request from the skeptical among us.
Allan
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05-14-2020, 04:30 PM
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Has there ever been a coronavirus that hasn't left its recovered victims with antibodies?
For that matter...what viruses in recorded human history have left its survivors without antibodies?
I'm sure there are tons...given your doubts.
Then again, if there were tons, we'd probably all be dead by now.
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05-14-2020, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
Anecdotal. I want real evidence.
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What would you consider to be real evidence that the Earth isn't flat?
Seriously, how do you know?
-jp
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05-14-2020, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
Where is the controlled studies on human beings?
That’s a small request from the skeptical among us.
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I'm guessing it has something to do with doctors in the field pulling out all the stops to get a good outcome for the patient. (As opposed to giving half of them a placebo and waiting around to see what happens.)
Most of the articles I've been able to find about blood plasma antibody treatment for Covid-19 patients are similar to this one --
Treatment of 5 Critically Ill Patients With COVID-19 With Convalescent Plasma:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2763983
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Results All 5 patients (age range, 36-65 years; 2 women) were receiving mechanical ventilation at the time of treatment and all had received antiviral agents and methylprednisolone. Following plasma transfusion, body temperature normalized within 3 days in 4 of 5 patients, the SOFA score decreased, and Pao2/Fio2 increased within 12 days (range, 172-276 before and 284-366 after). Viral loads also decreased and became negative within 12 days after the transfusion, and SARS-CoV-2–specific ELISA and neutralizing antibody titers increased following the transfusion (range, 40-60 before and 80-320 on day 7). ARDS resolved in 4 patients at 12 days after transfusion, and 3 patients were weaned from mechanical ventilation within 2 weeks of treatment. Of the 5 patients, 3 have been discharged from the hospital (length of stay: 53, 51, and 55 days), and 2 are in stable condition at 37 days after transfusion.
Conclusions and Relevance In this preliminary uncontrolled case series of 5 critically ill patients with COVID-19 and ARDS, administration of convalescent plasma containing neutralizing antibody was followed by improvement in their clinical status. The limited sample size and study design preclude a definitive statement about the potential effectiveness of this treatment, and these observations require evaluation in clinical trials.
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No clinical trials yet.
But hundreds of articles reporting good (but not perfect) results for patients around the world:
That's enough for me to think there's something to it.
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05-14-2020, 08:59 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by biggestal99
Where is the controlled studies on human beings?
That’s a small request from the skeptical among us.
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All that matters to those it worked on is that they are better.
And they have lives to get on with, unlike some internet idiot who doesn't nothing but whine about anything positive.
All those people who got better using the other drug Trump had hoped for - make no difference what studies say. THEY are alive.
When you are on death's door, you don't need no steenking studies.
It worked, it is anecdotal, and many people are HAPPY about that.
Not everyone is rooting for failure like you do.
Testing comes LATER, dude.
Right now,we are in containment mode.
We are in defining what to test......understand that concept?
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05-15-2020, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff P
What would you consider to be real evidence that the Earth isn't flat?
Seriously, how do you know?
-jp
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We are talking covid not the earth.
A comprehensive controlled study.
Jeez it’s not rocket science.
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05-15-2020, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
All that matters to those it worked on is that they are better.
And they have lives to get on with, unlike some internet idiot who doesn't nothing but whine about anything positive.
All those people who got better using the other drug Trump had hoped for - make no difference what studies say. THEY are alive.
When you are on death's door, you don't need no steenking studies.
It worked, it is anecdotal, and many people are HAPPY about that.
Not everyone is rooting for failure like you do.
Testing comes LATER, dude.
Right now,we are in containment mode.
We are in defining what to test......understand that concept?
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So says the anti-science crowd.
We need studies not anecdotal cures foisted on us.
Science over mumbo jumbo.
Allan
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