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04-05-2018, 09:21 AM
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Clocker Suspended Five Years For Posting Fraudulent Workouts
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04-05-2018, 09:56 AM
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Could someone explain the motivation for what she did? Entering works that never happened. When I read it I though it would be about altering the times to make them look better or worse than they should.
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04-05-2018, 10:19 AM
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Once owned a horse that had a fraudulent work posted.
all the owners (it was group ownership) were up in arms ("our horse didn't work, did he").
trainer made a mistake and ID the wrong working horse to the clockers.
and no clocker even said :boo: about it even though it was obviously the wrong horse.
Allan
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04-05-2018, 10:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inner Dirt
Could someone explain the motivation for what she did? Entering works that never happened. When I read it I though it would be about altering the times to make them look better or worse than they should.
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Given that they were quarter horses I gather, probably just getting the required works to enter. As in, they live and train on the farm and hadn't run in a while and needed a work to enter. My experiences make that the most likely cause of a fictional work.
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04-05-2018, 11:54 AM
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If my memory is correct, a horse has to show a work in the state within 60 days to be eligible to race. Nice to see a serious penalty here.
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04-05-2018, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith
Given that they were quarter horses I gather, probably just getting the required works to enter. As in, they live and train on the farm and hadn't run in a while and needed a work to enter. My experiences make that the most likely cause of a fictional work.
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So with a quarter horse a work is a major expense involving trailering the horse to and from the track? I didn't know QH trainers didn't have barn space on the track grounds. If so that makes sense.
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04-05-2018, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jay68802
If my memory is correct, a horse has to show a work in the state within 60 days to be eligible to race. Nice to see a serious penalty here.
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you are precisely right! the times of workouts mean less than ZERO. the fact that the horse worked does mean a lot.
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04-05-2018, 12:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by biggestal99
Once owned a horse that had a fraudulent work posted.
all the owners (it was group ownership) were up in arms ("our horse didn't work, did he").
trainer made a mistake and ID the wrong working horse to the clockers.
and no clocker even said :boo: about it even though it was obviously the wrong horse.
Allan
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I had a maiden who had to work early mornings as once she saw all the activity on the track she refused to work. My trainer had a horse work in 36 flat by accident the clocker got my horse instead and she Now had a bullet work next to her name she ran in a 10k claimer at parx finished 5th out of 7 horses and there was a three way shake. That was two years ago she is still a maiden to this day! I always wondered why a trainer can’t say you got the wrong horse we never worked that fast.
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04-05-2018, 12:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboguy
you are precisely right! the times of workouts mean less than ZERO. the fact that the horse worked does mean a lot.
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Tend to agree with you here, just having the work is the most important thing. When I look at works, I look at the trainer, and the track the work was on. A 4 in :50 work is slow for Baffert at Santa Anita, but is fast for Broberg at Delta.
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04-05-2018, 01:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inner Dirt
So with a quarter horse a work is a major expense involving trailering the horse to and from the track? I didn't know QH trainers didn't have barn space on the track grounds. If so that makes sense.
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Plenty of thoroughbred horses train on farms as well. Same problem.
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04-05-2018, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruffian1
Plenty of thoroughbred horses train on farms as well. Same problem.
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Yeah, I didn't meant to imply that it was a scenario unique to quarter horses. Just that given it is already the most likely scenario, factor in that they are quarter horses and I would take about 4-5 that it is the case. Just even more likely.
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04-05-2018, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith
Yeah, I didn't meant to imply that it was a scenario unique to quarter horses. Just that given it is already the most likely scenario, factor in that they are quarter horses and I would take about 4-5 that it is the case. Just even more likely.
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No worries. Never thought you did. I would assume that it is indeed more prevalent in quarter horses .
Thanks.
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04-06-2018, 07:56 AM
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Wonder what an unscrupulous clocker charges for a phony work? There has to be some pay-off involved.
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04-06-2018, 04:32 PM
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Maybe they are auditioning for a job at Trakus?
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