Will today's tragedy in Las Vegas doom Monmouth?

[bigeastbeast]

Today,the Supreme Court began its fall term,a term in which they will decide whether Nevada's sports betting monopoly will come to an end and to allow Monmouth to take bets,a development likely being essential to its very survival.

Now after last night's massacre and probable fall off of tourism,will the Justices feel sympathy for the Silver State and rule against Christie?

[Afleet]

Why should one state have an unfair advantage over the other 49 states? Seems like a slam dunk

[LemonSoupKid]

Seems just as likely, or more, that it would provide for gambling there. It's about the law, which is why I'm happy MAGA is in order.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Afleet

Why should one state have an unfair advantage over the other 49 states? Seems like a slam dunk

I wish this were true, but there are all sorts of doctrines that allow Congress to favor some states over others.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

I wish this were true, but there are all sorts of doctrines that allow Congress to favor some states over others.

The one revenue stream being looked at here is VLTs they are operated under the lottery commission and have passed legislation. Steve Sweeney has voiced opposition to this as he stated it will hurt Atlantic City and do irreparable harm.
Christie also saw that the VLTs could hurt AC. The time frame for instituting these machines at the racetracks has come and gone. I don't know if sports wagering will get the ok in NJ but if Drazin keeps fighting for its approval maybe it will come to fruition in one form or another.

[PaceAdvantage]

I admit, I could never see a thread like this coming in the wake of what happened in Vegas...what's the opposite of BRAVO!?!?

[GMB@BP]

I see it maybe being an issue from another angle, some tv people have been saying "this dude lost money in the last few weeks before he did this so maybe it drove him to do this"

when in fact it took a LONG time to plan this out.

But facts dont matter much when you have a agenda. But gambling equals bad people so there ya go monmouth.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

I see it maybe being an issue from another angle, some tv people have been saying "this dude lost money in the last few weeks before he did this so maybe it drove him to do this"

when in fact it took a LONG time to plan this out.

But facts dont matter much when you have a agenda. But gambling equals bad people so there ya go monmouth.

The guy was a poker player not a sports bettor.

Allan

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

The guy was a poker player not a sports bettor.

Allan

gambling is gambling man...its evil

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

gambling is gambling man...its evil

It's always worth remembering, at least in the back of one's mind, that gambling ruins a lot of people's lives.

That doesn't mean people shouldn't do it or shouldn't try to make money doing it, but it is worth keeping in mind when issues come up about regulations or why you aren't allowed to bet in certain ways or on certain events, etc. Ideally, we want the losers to be people who can afford to lose and who won't hurt people by losing, not people gambling the rent money or harming their families.

[SandyW]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

The guy was a poker player not a sports bettor.

Allan

He was a Video Poker player not a live table poker player.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

It's always worth remembering, at least in the back of one's mind, that gambling ruins a lot of people's lives.

That doesn't mean people shouldn't do it or shouldn't try to make money doing it, but it is worth keeping in mind when issues come up about regulations or why you aren't allowed to bet in certain ways or on certain events, etc. Ideally, we want the losers to be people who can afford to lose and who won't hurt people by losing, not people gambling the rent money or harming their families.

Well so does alcohol. and it completely legal in most of the US.

We live in America, where freedom rings.

we dont live in a nanny state, telling people whats bad for them and the passing laws.

I remember the proposed big soda ban here in NYC.

The nanny Bloomberg wanted to rid NYC of 20 oz sodas

if I want to purchase a 20 OZ soda. I should have the freedom to choose it

same with sports betting, If I want to place a bet on the Jets this week against the browns I should be able to legally.

I bet on the sport of horse racing with nary a whimper.

Allan

[MonmouthParkJoe]

I don't even see how this is a real thread.

This guy planned for a long time to do this. Its not like he lost his ass playing paigow poker and then decided to do this.

I think this has zero impact on Monmouth. I would be extremely surprised if they didn't get sports betting in the next two years.

As an aside, it seems like tragedies have become common place; almost to the point that I have become desensitized and don't bat an eye anymore. However, seeing the videos that were taken in a city I have visited too many times has really gotten to me. Bombings that take place, you really don't see the end result because of the nature of the attack. But actually seeing people getting mowed down or others carrying lifeless bodies...its horrible.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Well so does alcohol. and it completely legal in most of the US.

We live in America, where freedom rings.

we dont live in a nanny state, telling people whats bad for them and the passing laws.

I remember the proposed big soda ban here in NYC.

The nanny Bloomberg wanted to rid NYC of 20 oz sodas

if I want to purchase a 20 OZ soda. I should have the freedom to choose it

same with sports betting, If I want to place a bet on the Jets this week against the browns I should be able to legally.

I bet on the sport of horse racing with nary a whimper.

Allan

Well, it's not that simple. Should you be able to bet on the Presidential election? They do in the UK, but it's illegal here.

Should you be able to bet on the performance of very small companies with unregistered securities? It's possible, but its made very difficult by securities regulations.

There isn't a constitutional right to bet, and for good reason. "Gambling" involves a lot of activities that create significant regulatory issues.

And problem gambling is one of those issues. To give an example of a ban I agree with, I don't think that online slot machines are something that should be legalized. If someone really wants to play the slots, requiring the person to get out to a casino is a reasonable requirement. It cuts losses, it gives people time to reflect, and it probably, overall, reduces the amount of problem gambling while still preserving some freedom to bet on spinning reels.

It's just something you should always keep in mind. We don't live in a fully libertarian society, we can't, we won't, and we shouldn't. Government has a role in making certain stuff harder to do, and it has that role because certain stuff SHOULD be harder to do.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by MonmouthParkJoe

I don't even see how this is a real thread.

This guy planned for a long time to do this. Its not like he lost his ass playing paigow poker and then decided to do this.

I think this has zero impact on Monmouth. I would be extremely surprised if they didn't get sports betting in the next two years.

As an aside, it seems like tragedies have become common place; almost to the point that I have become desensitized and don't bat an eye anymore. However, seeing the videos that were taken in a city I have visited too many times has really gotten to me. Bombings that take place, you really don't see the end result because of the nature of the attack. But actually seeing people getting mowed down or others carrying lifeless bodies...its horrible.

This thread migrated. The original issue (which got a terrible headline) was about the Supreme Court sports betting case, which pits Las Vegas (i.e., the sports betting monopoly) against Monmouth Park (which wants to sell bets on sports events).