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Old 06-26-2018, 06:57 PM   #751
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How many protectionist trade deals and tariffs that Trump is advocating have killed the US economy? The answer is none.

And protectionism trade policy haven't kill the US economy since the late 1970s. How come? Because there hasn't been any in the last 45+ years, and unfettered 'free' trade you advocate have been in operation since the late 1970s.

Something like 45+ plus consecutive years of trade deficits are the results of all this 'free' trade.

Idiots may think trade deficits and trade in-balances are 'good' for the economy, but it isn't. 'Free' trade policies that you and a few others have supported have failed -- there has been five recessions since January 1980... 'free' trade and trade deficits have been in full force since then. Five recessions, plus numerous job loss, nominal wage growth, and more, thanks to 'free' trade. Thank God we have Trump to turn all this around.

All you 'free' trade devotees should have your head examined because you are clueless about all this. The 60,000 factories closed are never mentioned by you guys; the onerous tariffs countries place on our imported US products are never mentioned by you guys. You guys think you are so smart and I am an idiot. Good, I don't care what you think about me because you have zero influence on here.

Go to the bank on this -- Trump will win this trade 'war'. China's economy is in the tank; the EU economy is cratering; Canada is in recession; Mexico is on the brink of civil war and chaos, both economically and in the streets.

You 'free' trade idiots talk about how Trump's tariffs will kill our economy, causing US consumers to say no mas, no mas. Well, overpriced French cheese and fancy wine, overrated French wine, and even H-D's Hogs are not on the daily buy list for most US consumers.

BTW -- what did Romney ever do that was superior to Trump?

Became governor of Massachusetts? Yes he was and he quit before his term was up. He also brought in Romney Care and said it was the best thing he ever did. Says alot about him doesn't it? Trump also bankrupted more companies at Bain Capital than Trump ever did his own companies. And former Bain property, Georgetown Steel, is up and running after many years in the dark thanks to Trump!

Romney also ran for president 2-3 times and did not succeed in any of these attempts. Plus with 4 weeks before the end of his 2012 presidential campaign against Barry, he quit there too, rarely seen or heard at all. He's a loser and a quitter.

Trump is the most successful businessman in the past 35 years -- a success in New York real estate, world-wide leader in real estate construction, No. 1 rated television show for 15 straight years; runs for President and against 16 somewhat qualified candidates, the entire elite media, the GOP and DC establishment class, plus the 98% of the PA-OT general posters also against him, he wins without them and you!

Trump broke down the Big Blue Wall I predicted he'd break (no one else agreed with me); he won my state of Pennsylvania, which I also predicted (same here), and in the process defeated both the despicable Bush clan and the Clinton Crime family. He won states that the GOP didn't win in 35+ plus years.

He's a winner in a winner-take-all world. Not the idiots and know-nothings that constantly bash him.

Trump is a proven winner and I am on Trump's side, Romney is a proven loser and you are on Romney's side. Enough said.
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Old 06-26-2018, 07:00 PM   #752
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Tariffs are good now? Jeez, what a hypocrite world. If Obama or any of the Dems proposed this the other side and FOX News would be calling them job killing, Traitors. The current flow of these dumb parties never ceases to amaze me. Debt is only bad....when the other guy is in office....that's another rich piece of political bull shit.


Tariffs are the dumbest thing this guy has done. The dumbest economics you can have. Pretty much shot down by Adam Smith in the late 1700's. Now we got trade barriers in 2018. That's a joke.


Then you have brain trusts on here saying the economy has not tanked yet. So what? Its been months, give it time......it will. Americans think things are implemented and the results come in 5 minutes....so dumb. Pointing out that other countries are having problems. As their growth stagnates so will ours. This is a global economy. Plus, with the current tax cuts we need 3 to 5% growth or the deficit just keeps going. Bragging that we are doing great is just BS smoke and mirrors. Another reckoning is coming, it may take months, it may take a few years....but the clowns will eventually be crying, pointing fingers.....its this guys fault, its that guys fault. Then there's the argument over who the biggest loser is Romney or Trump. Like that has anything to do with economics and policy.


Here's a hint for the brain trusts that think they know economics. There's no "winning" a trade war. That's been proven by people some 300 years ago and in the 1930's. If the worlds economy tanks, these assholes will be crying the blues again, printing more money and the whole cycle will continue. People are so naïve they never learn...….like we are booming now. This quarter was like 2.2% and there have been a couple 3% quarters recently. This is probably as good as it gets....before it goes down again. Its not gonna grow for long with this deal. There may be a bump for a while but this can't be sustained. The stock market will eventually correct (tank) and they'll be on TV crying again. Its all shits and giggles until the bottom falls out..... As sure as shit as I'm sitting here, its coming with these moves.


Trumps gonna turn this all around my ass. Tariffs and trade wars are proven to be the dumbest things that can be done. If these countries cant or wont buy our shit, its just a matter of time. The trade deficit will go higher because like addicts we have to buy from them and our consumption is the highest in the land. Lets just build that stupid wall around the country, that will work......it will be an economic boom.


Then you got clowns clouding the issue by saying Harley quality has gone down and all this other peripheral BS. Typical that it has nothing to do with the issue. They just don't like the fact that they have to make their shit somewhere else. So people make up shit. What are they supposed to do? Eat 2000 dollars a bike? These morons will believe anything put out there. There will be more companies doing the same. Like I said the trade deficit won't change. Probably get worse. This global economy was coming no matter what. Because of our success everyone else in the world wanted it. That was a good thing not bad. The standard of living around the world has grown exponentially with less fighting. Of course, that meant growing pains for us but eventually it will even out. This could set things BACK not move things forward. This moron could piss away hundreds of years of progress and there will be pain if it gets out of hand. And where are the Republicans? The so called "free trade" people? what a bunch of pussies. This is bad, very bad and if it doesn't stop soon...….the results will be something no one wants. These bozos are crying about recessions. We could see a melt down of epic proportions with real wars to follow...….because this is how things were done centuries ago and before WW 2. Back when wealth was based on seizure and exploitation. Shit for brains. History and economics prove that in the long run, if this goes on, it will be bad. 2018 and we got trade wars and tariffs, are you ****ing kidding me? And people think this is good?
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Old 06-26-2018, 07:22 PM   #753
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It is real simple, this is the opening of negotiations. Canada can comply or die, they are on the cusp of a housing bubble. As Reckless noted that China's economy has slowed or tanked, they have no choice but negotiation. What is vastly different this time around is our position of strength to get better deals compared to previous history braininess people in their 30's try to sell you. We can go on and on talking about other country names, but tell you the truth I will enjoy watching some who refuse negotiations being crucified.
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:33 PM   #754
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Think they better figure out who is going to play ball and buy some of this.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/america-ha...billion-pounds
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Old 06-29-2018, 01:19 AM   #755
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Think they better figure out who is going to play ball and buy some of this.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/america-ha...billion-pounds
Why the hell do we stockpile cheese.
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Old 06-29-2018, 04:18 AM   #757
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Why the hell do we stockpile cheese.
Because Farmers are paid to produce the shit regardless of if there is a market for it or not.

And people wonder why deals like NAFTA left out exclusions for stuff like dairy...
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Even the Republicans in Congress have figured out that Trump's tariffs are not a good thing.

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President Trump is going ahead with his tariffs on steel and aluminum imports from Canada and the European Union, despite having little support in Congress. Republicans have unabashedly spoken out against Trump's trade decision.

“I’d like to kill ’em,” Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) said of the tariffs.

“Individual senators have met with the president, including me," echoed Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KA). "The Ag committee met with him, the Finance Committee met with him. And there’s nobody for this.”

Trump is “a protectionist who has his policy wrapped around the rear axle of a pickup," the Agriculture Committee chairman added. "And it’s hard to get out.”

Republicans worry that the tariffs would harmfully affect their state economies, especially after major companies like General Motors warned the Department of Commerce that the trade measure would lead to reduced employment and lower wages. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) was especially on edge after Harley Davidson announced it may need to move operations overseas.
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Trump is “a protectionist who has his policy wrapped around the rear axle of a pickup," the Agriculture Committee chairman added. "And it’s hard to get out.”
Or maybe it isn't a pickup?



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I know...the country is just falling apart. We are just SO much WORSE OFF than when we had Obama in the White House. It's crazy!
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I know...the country is just falling apart. We are just SO much WORSE OFF than when we had Obama in the White House. It's crazy!
Trump is a big improvement over Obama and much preferable to Hillary. That does not give him a pass when he does stupid things.

Why does it have to be all or nothing about Trump? Why, in the eyes of many here, can no one criticize anything Trump does without being attacked as a flaming left-winger opposed to everything that Trump does?
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Chamber of Commerce Declares War

Even the US Chamber of Commerce, which has become a reliably hyper-Republican operation over the past couple of decades under its firebrand conservative leader, Tom Donohue, has declared war on Trump. “The administration’s new tariffs threaten to spark a global trade war, blares a headline on the Chamber’s website today:

"Tariffs imposed by the United States are nothing more than a tax increase on American consumers and businesses–including manufacturers, farmers, and technology companies–who will all pay more for commonly used products and materials."

And the site has a helpful interactive map so you can see just how badly Trump’s tariffs will affect your state.

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Trump is a big improvement over Obama and much preferable to Hillary. That does not give him a pass when he does stupid things.

Why does it have to be all or nothing about Trump? Why, in the eyes of many here, can no one criticize anything Trump does without being attacked as a flaming left-winger opposed to everything that Trump does?
Because it's called "partisan politics"...and it's as rampant among the private sector as it is throughout the halls of Congress. No doubt you've seen the most nauseating display of it, whenever our president gives a state-of-the-union address...and half the politicos in the audience stand and applaud everything he says, while the other half remain morose in their seats...as if they are at a funeral. I see this and I get sick to my stomach at the thought that those imposters are all playing games with each other...all at the expense of the much-maligned citizen. And it happens with us voters too...often without us fully comprehending that it's taking place. We are given two unworthy voting options in every election, and we readily admit at the start that we are forced to choose the "best of two evils"...but a funny thing happens when our "evil of choice" emerges victorious. We allow ourselves to become overtaken by our "political partisanship"...and become totally oblivious to our new "leader's" obvious shortcomings. What a few months ago was the "best of two evils" suddenly becomes the "Messiah"...who can do or say no wrong, as far as we are concerned. And we lambaste the "other side" of the citizenry, who don't "stand in unison" with our new president...even though we know full well that we ourselves didn't support the PRIOR president...whom we'd criticized just as much as the "other side" is now criticizing our new one. And this "political partisanship" overcomes the "other side" too, to the extent where they become totally blinded to whatever "benefit" may come as a result of the actions of our new president. Equal blindness for all.

We argue and fight with one another, without realizing that we are all victims of a gigantic hoax...meant to distract us until the next election...when the establishment will supply us with two more unworthy choices...so that this sad scenario could repeat itself yet again. But don't despair...because things will surely be different next time. The establishment is working on next election's rhetoric...as we speak.
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Trump is a big improvement over Obama and much preferable to Hillary. That does not give him a pass when he does stupid things.

Why does it have to be all or nothing about Trump? Why, in the eyes of many here, can no one criticize anything Trump does without being attacked as a flaming left-winger opposed to everything that Trump does?
Exactly...

The economy improved and became strong under Obama. However one of the biggest complaints is that it was held back due to overregulation and tax policy (Bush tax uncertainty, Obamacare). Economic interventionism.

The economy under Trump is very strong as well... however he and his supporters can't get out of their own way with their own brand of taxes and economic interventionism.

Ultimately this will squander growth opportunity.

It shouldn't be crazy that economic freedom people like us just want the government to get the **** out the way and let the economy do its thing.

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Because it's called "partisan politics"...and it's as rampant among the private sector as it is throughout the halls of Congress.
All true, but we have also moved beyond partisan politics as usual lately, and into the realm of personality cults. Both Obama and Trump gained a lot of their support from voters who didn't know about or didn't care about the issues, and were not part of the traditional party base.

They based their support solely on a faith that their candidate would make things better, period. Obama was going to put an end to racism and Trump was going to put an end to globalism. They didn't question or care how.

I think that this also accounts for part of why Hillary lost the nomination in 2008, despite being the presumptive winner, and why she lost the general election that she was also "supposed" to win. She was facing a new political force she could not match. You can't have a personality cult if you don't have a personality.
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