Liberal Corner

[hcap]

Originally Posted by davew

No, but to show a chart that implies the US is the top ranked country in the world when it is actually closer to 94th is disingenuous and really an implied outright LIE. But I guess it does help the dim progressive cause for the easily manipulated and fooled dim cult.

Your full of it. I said a number of times developed western industrialized countries is what we should be using as a yardstick.

[azeri98]

Hcap is right when it comes to gun violence, other crimes I can't say. You are 25 times more to be a victim of gun violence in the U.S.then any other civilized country in the world, Its because of the gun laws and availability.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by hcap

Go ahead and quote from Fox or Newsmax, or the New York Post on the "correct" numbers

If you actually use objective news, instead of the alt rights tin foil numbers, it certainly makes a hell of a difference

You are dodging the question. Assuming for the sake of argument that your numbers are correct, what does that prove and what difference does it make in the real world? If everyone accepts your numbers as correct, what is going to change?

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

That is the proof we need to build a wall.

Canada is going to build a wall? To keep us out because we are so violent?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Clocker

You are dodging the question. Assuming for the sake of argument that your numbers are correct, what does that prove and what difference does it make in the real world? If everyone accepts your numbers as correct, what is going to change?

No, you are avoiding what is self evident. Hint" It's ain't the 2nd amendment unless you own a musket and are still fighting king George

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Canada is going to build a wall? To keep us out because we are so violent?

We need a wall to keep Justin Trudeau out!!

[hcap]

Originally Posted by azeri98

Hcap is right when it comes to gun violence, other crimes I can't say. You are 25 times more to be a victim of gun violence in the U.S.then any other civilized country in the world, Its because of the gun laws and availability.

Other crimes are covered in the other link I posted.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/fi...ecdjan2012.pdf

But there is no clear relationship we can draw there and in most cases we rank in the middle

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by hcap

No, you are avoiding what is self evident. Hint" It's ain't the 2nd amendment unless you own a musket and are still fighting king George

The 2nd Amendment means whatever the Supreme Court says it means. In D.C. v. Heller, SCOTUS said that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for the purpose of self-defense. And that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use” at the time of such possession.

Please explain how your numbers, or any numbers, are going to change that reality, or change any minds.

[davew]

Originally Posted by hcap

Your full of it. I said a number of times developed western industrialized countries is what we should be using as a yardstick.

So out of all of the 'industrialized countries' in the world, you are limiting it to North America and Europe? Don't they have guns in the rest of the world? or are they mostly held by the dictators???

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The 2nd Amendment means whatever the Supreme Court says it means. In D.C. v. Heller, SCOTUS said that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for the purpose of self-defense. And that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use” at the time of such possession.

Please explain how your numbers, or any numbers, are going to change that reality, or change any minds.

My numbers are self evident except to FAUX Noos viewers.

It is only a matter of time until the "bromance" with guns falls out of favor. Similar to the addition of the later amendments, for instance, Amendment 13 Abolition of slavery and Amendment 14 Civil rights, and Amendment 19 Women's suffrage. Or a do over like Amendment 18 Prohibition of liquor.

Gun culture is a leftover from John Wayne and the big screen. Eventually we grow up. Even PA off topic

[azeri98]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The 2nd Amendment means whatever the Supreme Court says it means. In D.C. v. Heller, SCOTUS said that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for the purpose of self-defense. And that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use” at the time of such possession.

Please explain how your numbers, or any numbers, are going to change that reality, or change any minds.

The 2nd amendment needs to be updated, our forefathers could never have foreseen the types of guns we have today. I'm all for having guns and protecting yourself but there are limits

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by azeri98

The 2nd amendment needs to be updated

No problem. All it takes is two-thirds approval by both houses of Congress and ratification by 38 states.

I'm all for having guns and protecting yourself but there are limits

We have limits. The 2nd Amendment applies only to firearms in common usage today. Things like automatic weapons are not covered. Semi-automatic weapons are current, common technology today. Law breakers have them. That is unalterable reality. Why shouldn't law-abiding citizens have them too?

What limits are realistic and effective? Who would you trust to set those limits?

[davew]

Originally Posted by hcap

Your full of it. I said a number of times developed western industrialized countries is what we should be using as a yardstick.

If western industrialized countries are the yardstick, we should probably restrict immigrants to being from those countries as well, what do youse think?

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by hcap

My numbers are self evident except to FAUX Noos viewers.

If your numbers are self-evident, why have they changed nothing? Gun owners are a minority in this country. Why haven't the "right-thinking" lefties done something about this self-evident problem? Why didn't the Democrats do anything about it during the first 2 years of the Obama administration when they had an unstoppable majority in Congress?

[davew]

Originally Posted by Clocker

If your numbers are self-evident, why have they changed nothing? Gun owners are a minority in this country. Why haven't the "right-thinking" lefties done something about this self-evident problem? Why didn't the Democrats do anything about it during the first 2 years of the Obama administration when they had an unstoppable majority in Congress?

Too busy trying to revolutionize the health insurance industry so everyone can have health insurance.