Arizona-No more ADW's?

[NoCal Boy]

It gets complicated, but I do believe the law is unconstitutional as applied to interstate parimutuel wagering. I doubt it means much lost handle as AZ likely has few larger players, but it simply is not right.

[HorseRun]

with YOUBET the time being, means forever...i got the same letter in NJ about 5 years ago and youbet still doesnt allow NJ members....these guys are worthless and overpaid

[highnote]

I called the 800 number for the AZ AG and it was not a valid number.

Can you check the number and repost it?

[theiman]

I copied and pasted it from another forum.

Sorry.

[speedking]

AZ Attorney General Terry Goddard

602-542- 5025

800-352-8431 is for AZ calls only it seems.

[betovernetcapper]

There are 2 basic types of 800 #s-intrastate and interstate. State officials have to talk to the residents so they may pay for an intrastate 800#. Given that most people calling a state official from out of state are complaining about something they'd rather not pay for the call. My guess is it's an intrastate 800#.

[azbacks]

I did a little digging and was not suprised to find that information was slim. This House Resolution went through with the minimum amount of public exposure. It was endorsed by Turf Paradise, but opposed by the AZ Dept of Racing. I understand the vote was near to unaminous. Only 9 against.

The law allows state residents to wager only at the state approved locations. Horse and dog tracks and their associated OTB's. This HR only applies to pari-mutual wagering. It is a class 6 felony. Several years ago this same type resolution, with misdemeanor penalties, did not make it to the GOV..

This information is available to the public, but I am sure Boomer knows more than what is in the legal records.

I also felt this is a little hypocritical to accept out of state wagering, but not allow locals to wager on tracks other than what they are offering at the OTB..

azbacks

I feel the above info is correct, but don't go suing anyone over it!!

[NateBracey]

I live in Scottsdale and had my Brisbet account
closed as of last night. The ABSOLUTE way to
get this overturned would be for Brisbet, Youbet, etc...
to stop taking wagers in Turf Paradise. All of this
dump of a track's income comes from off track monies.
You cut that out and I guarantee something will change.

So here is what I heard "somebody" do. They had a relative open an account for them out of Arizona - a relative that is trustworthy enough to send them their checks when they make a withdrawl.

[Indulto]

Originally Posted by NateBracey

I live in Scottsdale and had my Brisbet account
closed as of last night. The ABSOLUTE way to
get this overturned would be for Brisbet, Youbet, etc...
to stop taking wagers in Turf Paradise. All of this
dump of a track's income comes from off track monies.
You cut that out and I guarantee something will change.

So here is what I heard "somebody" do. They had a relative open an account for them out of Arizona - a relative that is trustworthy enough to send them their checks when they make a withdrawl.

Wouldn't the relative have to submit the wagers as well? Don't some ADW/Totes look at URLs as well?

[TomC]

Has anyone ever seen another industry that seems to despise its clients as much as the horse racing industry?

What sizes would the purses be if we all stopped wagering? Maybe we can all go to the track just to cheer the nice horsey on, and have a hot dog. Forget the wagering. Extra mustard please....oh and dont forget to tax me on it.

[NateBracey]

you could be right...don't have an answer for that one!

[Kelso]

Originally Posted by TomC

Has anyone ever seen another industry that seems to despise its clients as much as the horse racing industry?

What sizes would the purses be if we all stopped wagering?

I think Arizona is a prime target to provide an answer. Relatively small and, therefor, weak. Absolutely inconsquential to the industry. Ignore 'em until they cave ... then identify the next weak target.

BOYCOTT AZ TRACKS!

[Hosshead]

Originally Posted by NateBracey

The ABSOLUTE way to
get this overturned would be for Brisbet, Youbet, etc...
to stop taking wagers on Turf Paradise.

That's exactly what ALL the ADW's should do. There's only one thing stopping them.
Greed.
Do you think that little Aruba might have a chance to solve this problem ?

[prospector]

Originally Posted by boomman

Obviously (working at Yavapai Downs since their inception) I am TOTALLY aware of what is going on ADW wise in Arizona, and would be happy to answer any questions CONFIDENTIALLY via pm.........

Boomer

boomer,
did you know this was coming and still let us procott Yavapai Downs ?
i sure hope not...i always like to think the best of people..

[TomC]

My thinking is this.
1) Make a deal where YOUBET, BRISBET, etc, MUST carry TUP.
2) They must accept wagers for TUP from AZ residents (as well as all states)
3) Any wager they accept from AZ, the ADW gets NO commission. 100% of the "take" goes to TUP, as if we placed the bet at TUP.

What would this do? Make everyone a winner....
1) The fans win, obviously.
2) TUP gets a new income stream doing nothing on their part.
3) THE ADW does not lose on TUP, because before all this, AZ residents were not allowed to bet on TUP anyway. However, they (ADW) do get to keep their customers.
4) The state wins, collecting extra taxes from the increased TUP handle

Oh wait a second....everyone would be happy and it would make good sense. Forget I said this. They would never go for it. Maybe instead they can look into charging us with a Class 6 Felony if our shoe laces are untied.

Can you imagine this. You fill out a mortgage application. You get to the part where it asks "Have you ever been convicted of a felony?" You answer Yes...$20 to win on the 7.