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Old 07-11-2021, 12:02 PM   #7396
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If you are truly looking for value---drop that place bet, Dan. That's for amateurs and bettors without confidence. You're just throwing money away. Whatever wager you decide on--put it all to win. If you continue losing money, it's obvious you need a better selection method.
Keep a separate bank for win, and another for your place bets. You'll soon find place bets kill your bankroll. My motto is "if the horse can place-he can win"

My first suggestion would be to find a more accurate selection method. I admire your handicapping outside the box...but the info you painstakingly compiled...was already done for you.

Here are the top E-1 from every race taken from TRAINER MOVES:

1ST STRAIGHT TO GO xxx

2ND CENTSLESS DRAMA $7.60

3RD FAST LOADED XXX

4TH GREATEST GLORY xxx

5TH BATTLE CHARGE XXX

7TH I AM THE BOSS $4.80

8TH THE DISTRACTOR $13.60

*remember...the figs are AVGS of best 3 or last 4, unlike Platinum which is based off the last race ran. If only using early speed for sprints (under 7F)...you would have still shown a "win bet" profit.

also when looking for early speed--stay with dirt sprints, for now.
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Old 07-11-2021, 04:14 PM   #7397
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Here is the main speed from the Pleasanton Fair meet. For some reason, they are only running horses--no fair going on now. It's scheduled for next month, I believe. I go every year (there wasn't a fair last year, due to covid). I was looking forward to one of those 18 inch corn dogs at the fair No one in my family wants to go to just the races...so we'll stay home again.

Here's the speed at P-town today:

PLEASANTON
1ST- FLAG SALUTE- SHARP CURVE
2ND- LADY CHROME- TROUBLE IN PARADISE
3RD- GRAY GEM- HONG KONG COWBOY
4TH- TED - TRASH TALKIN CAT
5TH- STONE GROOVE - DONT TEASE THE TIGER
6TH- COUSIN EDDY - AMITY HARBOR
7TH- ALVAARO -RESPECT THE HUSTLE
8TH- LEADVILLE - ICE OR FIRE
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Old 07-11-2021, 04:27 PM   #7398
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If you are truly looking for value---drop that place bet, Dan. That's for amateurs and bettors without confidence. You're just throwing money away. Whatever wager you decide on--put it all to win. If you continue losing money, it's obvious you need a better selection method.
Keep a separate bank for win, and another for your place bets. You'll soon find place bets kill your bankroll. My motto is "if the horse can place-he can win"

My first suggestion would be to find a more accurate selection method. I admire your handicapping outside the box...but the info you painstakingly compiled...was already done for you.

Here are the top E-1 from every race taken from TRAINER MOVES:

1ST STRAIGHT TO GO xxx

2ND CENTSLESS DRAMA $7.60

3RD FAST LOADED XXX

4TH GREATEST GLORY xxx

5TH BATTLE CHARGE XXX

7TH I AM THE BOSS $4.80

8TH THE DISTRACTOR $13.60

*remember...the figs are AVGS of best 3 or last 4, unlike Platinum which is based off the last race ran. If only using early speed for sprints (under 7F)...you would have still shown a "win bet" profit.

also when looking for early speed--stay with dirt sprints, for now.
-NCG
What track were these from?
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Old 07-11-2021, 04:42 PM   #7399
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[QUOTE=NorCalGreg;2736960]If you are truly looking for value---drop that place bet, Dan. That's for amateurs and bettors without confidence. You're just throwing money away. Whatever wager you decide on--put it all to win. If you continue losing money, it's obvious you need a better selection method.
Keep a separate bank for win, and another for your place bets. You'll soon find place bets kill your bankroll. My motto is "if the horse can place-he can win"




This is good advice. I've checked it many times when I've had a run of everything I bet running 2nd.
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Old 07-11-2021, 05:14 PM   #7400
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What track were these from?
Thanks for the kind words, Tim.

Ed, those selections were from Thursday's GPX.
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GP had 3 winners with high E1 today, $19,$17 & $12. New way to play GP next time I get somewhere to play it. Thanks for the info.
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Old 07-11-2021, 08:39 PM   #7402
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GP had 3 winners with high E1 today, $19,$17 & $12. New way to play GP next time I get somewhere to play it. Thanks for the info.
As much as I used to hate Gulfstream...I'm their biggest fan now.
Parx, Gulfstream, Tampa, and to a lesser extent Belmont, and Presque are the tops, with GPX way out in front.

Hit another nice pick-4 at the Gulf today:

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Old 07-11-2021, 10:41 PM   #7403
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I really miss playing GP.
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Did you hit that with ability ratings or consensus?
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Old 07-12-2021, 03:13 PM   #7405
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Used ABILITY with all but the last maiden race...most of those horses had already raced at that level or lower, so it was a crap shoot. JULIE BIRD was tops in speed--but has done nothing but burned money in her short career-so I went with #2 speed SASSY CAT in her place.
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Old 07-16-2021, 12:55 PM   #7406
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saratoga opening day best-five

Let's take a look at today's BEST-FIVE @Saratoga.



Good Luck,

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Old 07-16-2021, 02:51 PM   #7407
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I see the 60 point horse, Quick Return, won.
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Old 07-16-2021, 05:25 PM   #7408
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top power # in the 6th at Woodbine yesterday #1 Kentucky Fan $22.10
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Yesterday's duck was at DelMar 5th race #12 Zydeco Mama $36.20
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Old 07-17-2021, 02:06 PM   #7410
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del mar

Just checking some ENTRIES with speed, at Del Mar. Also testing a few milers with speed for the heck of it.

DEL MAR

----SPRINT SPEED
1ST HEAD FOR BUSINESS 3-1
2ND WINHAPPY 12-1
3RD WHAT IN BLAZES 9/5
5TH RUBY RAY 6-1
6TH GATES OF HEAVEN 7/2


-----0NE MILE SPEED
4TH CASSIE BELLE 6-1
7TH SNAZZY DRESSER 15-1
8TH PALACE COUP 12-1
9TH DYNASTY OF HER OWN 12-1

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