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07-06-2017, 10:59 AM
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Saturday's Dwyer Stakes only 5 horses !!!
disgusting
Practical Joke and Battalion Runner will match up, but they failed to give us a bettable race.
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Last edited by Robert Fischer; 07-06-2017 at 11:01 AM.
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07-06-2017, 11:11 AM
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It's not like this is some new phenomenon in terms of stakes races. I remember as far back as the late 80s and early 90s, there were plenty of big time stakes races at Belmont that drew short fields like this.
It sucks, but it's not like this is something new.
What is new is that a great many of your every day races are short fields around the country....
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07-06-2017, 11:11 AM
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clean money
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They screwed up the Suburban also, with only a field of 6 
Could have been a great card.
At first glance, it's only worth playing the 2 dirt features as part of a multi-race sequence.
Guess I will be focused on the two turf features.
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07-06-2017, 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
They screwed up the Suburban also, with only a field of 6
Could have been a great card.
At first glance, it's only worth playing the 2 dirt features as part of a multi-race sequence. |
that's how they accomplish moving you from 16% take-out to 25.
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07-06-2017, 11:21 AM
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clean money
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
It's not like this is some new phenomenon in terms of stakes races. I remember as far back as the late 80s and early 90s, there were plenty of big time stakes races at Belmont that drew short fields like this.
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It stinks each time it happens, when you've been looking forward to a race.
I guess the owners/trainers/top-jocks don't mind at all.
The affect is lessened to a multi-race player as well. If you happen to be playing the exclusive NYRA Bets pick 5, it's not a bad thing for the average player. They can use 2 horses in some of the races and construct an affordable ticket...
But, if you are looking for one field of stakes horses to sink your teeth into, and attack the vertical exotics, you are forced to go turf, and simply watch the dirt races.
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Originally Posted by Cholly
that's how they accomplish moving you from 16% take-out to 25.
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That's kind of how it feels sometimes.
Maybe it's just tough sometimes to draw a full field of dirt stakes and promising allowance and/or MSW graduates, for a $400K Grade3?, but sometimes these fields feel like a 'bonus' for the top barns, and a funnel for the multis (and in this case you have the new adw pk5 that was just unveiled).
Even if it's totally random, it's frustrating.
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Last edited by Robert Fischer; 07-06-2017 at 11:28 AM.
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07-06-2017, 12:32 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Iowa Derby this week, Indiana Derby next week.
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07-06-2017, 01:26 PM
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Veteran
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was watching old races from 1991,and the mother goose and coaching club only had 4 fillies,meadow star and lite lite against 2 tomato cans.go for wand had 2 opponents in the alabama.THe breeders cup has changed racing and its debatable whether its for the better.
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07-06-2017, 02:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
disgusting
Practical Joke and Battalion Runner will match up, but they failed to give us a bettable race.
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Exactly who is they and what did they screw up?
Both races had 13 nominations, but as CJ alluded to this time of year is tough esp for 3 years with the two derbys mentioned, Jim Dandy/Travers and Haskell on the horizon.
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07-06-2017, 02:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
It's not like this is some new phenomenon in terms of stakes races. I remember as far back as the late 80s and early 90s, there were plenty of big time stakes races at Belmont that drew short fields like this.
It sucks, but it's not like this is something new.
What is new is that a great many of your every day races are short fields around the country....
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This is exactly right.
It's also more new in California than it is in New York. California used to have a lot of 10 and 12 horse stakes races in the 1980's, at the same time when NYRA had lots of short fields. Now it's the opposite, California is even worse than NYRA at drawing horses into its stakes races.
There are more options for stakes horses, and stakes horses also run a lot less often. Also, stakes purses haven't caught up with inflation, except the very top line ones. For instance, while the Kentucky Derby has grown from $600,000 to $2 million in the last 30 years, the Charles Whittingham Stakes purse shrunk from $500,000 to $200,000.
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07-06-2017, 02:30 PM
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Prefer to be called Dinny
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On July 8, 1978, the Dwyer Stakes featured a field of three. However, that trio were a part of the best crop in the history of American racing. This year, not so much.
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07-06-2017, 02:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Iowa Derby this week, Indiana Derby next week.
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Iowa Derby, Indiana Derby, Dwyer Stakes
What do these 3 have in common?...CASINO MONEY paying the tab
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07-06-2017, 02:54 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cholly
Iowa Derby, Indiana Derby, Dwyer Stakes
What do these 3 have in common?...CASINO MONEY paying the tab
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Yes, though to be fair one of these would exist without casino money, the other two would not.
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07-06-2017, 02:55 PM
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clean money
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You guys want to bet into 5 and 6 horse fields?
The ****ing IOWA DERBY is taking all the horses...
Schedule must have caught NYRA by surprise this year...
They had 13 nominations, cut them some slack...
They were only able to close the deal with 5, it's tough these days...
It's the status quo, don't see the problem here...
Alright I'll bet the Garden City Oaks and the Belmont Derby then. Good luck on the Dwyer.
Maybe it will save me some money, because while everyone is trying to label Practical Joke a sprinter, I think he should demolish this field with plenty in reserve.
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07-06-2017, 02:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilsbag
On July 8, 1978, the Dwyer Stakes featured a field of three. However, that trio were a part of the best crop in the history of American racing. This year, not so much.
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1957 looks to me to be as good a crop as 1978. But that's a quibble. 
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07-06-2017, 03:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
You guys want to bet into 5 and 6 horse fields?
The ****ing IOWA DERBY is taking all the horses...
Schedule must have caught NYRA by surprise this year...
They had 13 nominations, cut them some slack...
They were only able to close the deal with 5, it's tough these days...
It's the status quo, don't see the problem here...
Alright I'll bet the Garden City Oaks and the Belmont Derby then. Good luck on the Dwyer.
Maybe it will save me some money, because while everyone is trying to label Practical Joke a sprinter, I think he should demolish this field with plenty in reserve.
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Ok.
So the Iowa Derby has a less than stellar group of three year olds. I highly doubt that race is surprising anyone.
Do you really think any track wants to have a stake with only five runners?
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