How do you handicap grass races?

[deathandgravity]

One thing I have started considering (or at least look at) when handicapping turf is the BRIS Pedigree number.

Top 4 BRIS Turf Pedigree for the race:
116
114
113
113

I haven’t been capturing in my database & probably won’t since I am not really playing much anymore & not worth the effort.

Just something to look @.

[burnsy]

I don't start betting until after 3 pm. But until the track changes the turf course will give you prices with the speed. Today the , in the 6th was a play, he lost by a snout at 7-1 and should of been put up. I didn't have the that caused the trouble. The other one was in the 10th. That worked out well. Couldn't go Wednesday, had to work. But I've had 6 winners in 3 days of going at the 5th or 6th race, 3 were on the turf courses. 5 of them went wire to wire and the 6th one sat second before taking charge. The lowest one paid 2-1 on Monday. It doesn't work all the time because even the jocks know (about being up front) and sometimes they burn the pace. But I'll go right back to it with these prices if I can catch at least one a day like this.

Been working this angle for years and its not the first time I've talked about it on here. Watch the kick back on the Turf course....its fast and dry.

[GMB@BP]

I bet Gran Jete pretty good in the Beverly D.

How do you handicap for that?

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

I bet Gran Jete pretty good in the Beverly D.

How do you handicap for that?

I did too. You can just never tell what you'll get with Rosario. When you're that much the best why even get yourself in that spot?

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

I did too. You can just never tell what you'll get with Rosario. When you're that much the best why even get yourself in that spot?

The thing is he never made a plan, if he just stays inside it opens and he wins, instead he panicked when there was no hole and then loses on a horse who was much the best.

Oh yea I will get it back next race when she is 2/5.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

The thing is he never made a plan, if he just stays inside it opens and he wins, instead he panicked when there was no hole and then loses on a horse who was much the best.

Oh yea I will get it back next race when she is 2/5.

I'm planning on getting it back on the 3 next race at Del Mar. I just wish Theriot wasnt riding.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

I'm planning on getting it back on the 3 next race at Del Mar. I just wish Theriot wasnt riding.

I am against the Baffert horse in the Best Pal, going with Kent's horse...hoping he does better for me than last week.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

I am against the Baffert horse in the Best Pal, going with Kent's horse...hoping he does better for me than last week.

Winner got the trip I wanted my horse to get. Theriot figured it'd be better to duel for lead. That worked out well for him.

[GMB@BP]

And then Rosario does that....man this game.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

I did too. You can just never tell what you'll get with Rosario. When you're that much the best why even get yourself in that spot?

Ultimate Jekyl and Hyde. I would've been alive to all in Pick 3 had he not rode like a moron in Beverly D.

All Beach Patrol needed was Florent Geroux off

[CincyHorseplayer]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

I bet Gran Jete pretty good in the Beverly D.

How do you handicap for that?

I was all pumped up because I hit what I thought what was an obvious exacta and win in race 3. Turf ratings were 205 and 200. The rest mere mid 190's at best. It was all down hill after that. Dacita didn't look great in the PP's to me. The 2 race back looked like it was an inflated figure.. Was weak on my turf ratings. If you trusted her back class and Chad Brown you were rolling. I rolled with the to no avail. Thought the was best on paper though. Anyway Arlington baffled me plenty today. I don't play there enough to understand the turf course.

[JustRalph]

The Saratoga Turf course looks all speed to me. Watched several races that I taped over the last week. I'm getting the Wolf-Serling show on Fox sports via Dish. Looks like all speed and everybody knows it.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

The Saratoga Turf course looks all speed to me. Watched several races that I taped over the last week. I'm getting the Wolf-Serling show on Fox sports via Dish. Looks like all speed and everybody knows it.

well its more pronounced on the inner turf. I think the goal is to see what becomes more biased, the inner turf or the dirt track. Its a battle.

[CincyHorseplayer]

They were 0, 2, 2 lengths off at the half on the inner.

And were 4 and 7 off at the half on the outer yesterday.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

well its more pronounced on the inner turf. I think the goal is to see what becomes more biased, the inner turf or the dirt track. Its a battle.

Yep, I stoped trying to distinguish between them. It seems to me when one speeds up the other acts pretty much the same. Maybe that's a flaw in my thinking, but I'm not betting any real money yet. The wife is getting the itch for a casino trip though......

I think the dirt is speed biased too, but not as bad as the Turf. I'm going to download some stuff and update my database to confirm my eyeballing it