calling all Workout experts

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by Edward DeVere

This is utterly absurd.

I think what lamboguy is saying is that conditioning is key.
Surely, you can't dispute that.

However, having a reliable source to interpret what is going on during workouts is not within reach for most players.
What you read concerning works in the PPs is virtually meaningless, save the dates that they took place.
Knowing a good clocker who can mark your card in a first-timers MSW or who can spot a horse returning from a layoff in fine fettle, for example, can be a goldmine.

Basing wagering decisions on basic works written in PPs?
Good luck with that........

[Dave Schwartz]

What you read concerning works in the PPs is virtually meaningless, save the dates that they took place.

And yet, statistically significant.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Basing wagering decisions on basic works written in PPs?
Good luck with that........

Been doing that and winning.

[Robert Fischer]

i do really well when seeing the videos of workouts. positives and negatives.

I don't get to see them too often, maybe on breeders cup day and sometimes the derby.



sometimes I'd rather see a 3/70 than the bullet ... ESPECIALLY if the time difference is small. Seems like bullets tend to be ever-so-slightly overbet on average..

another time a positive can be a negative- this year with Animal Kingdom in and his pre-Derby. I knew he was going to prove versatile on the dirt(he had already proved it), but some media was saying that he was actually going to "test" the dirt to "decide" whether to run in the derby , but then he worked well and got a little bit of positive hype. I was pissed! Fortunately it didn't hurt his odds much if at all.

Most of the time I would prefer to see a video of all the runners pre-race workout for all big graded stakes. Something some foreign venues do that we don't.

[BIG HIT]

BOB 49010 YOU RIGHT THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT I SAID.TYPEING IS NOT ONE OF MY STRONG POINTS.

[outofthebox]

I clocked up at finger lakes for a couple of years. Everything that breezed usually got an "h" for the work. If i did put a "b", it usually for a horse who's rider had a hammerlock on the reins.
As for gate works we had two days a week for official times. Wednesdays the gates were in the 3/4 chute with a 1 1/2 count run up. On Saturdays the gate would be at the 1/4 pole chute with a half count run up. Theoretically if two horses had 48 h g, i would give more credit to the horse that worked on Sunday since .his run up was shorter.
Here in La. the gate works vary in comparison. Louisiana Downs and Evangeline training Center both have gates that start right on the pole, so there is no run up. Delta, Evangeline, and Fairgrounds all have some type of run up that can vary each day depending where the tractor sets the gate

[Blenheim]

Works, the type of work and understanding what those works mean in relationship to the upcoming race is absolutely critical, particularly with two-year-olds.

A horse working 5fl breezing from the gate w/company w/the dogs up on a training tack would no doubt be in better condition than a horse working 5fl handily on the main track. If he breezed he wasn't urged and did the work with less effort than a horse running handily; if he is coming out of the gate he didn't have the customary running start; with the dogs up he is running wider and if he is running on the training track that track is likely deeper than the main track - all these workout designations give clues to the current condition, form and readiness of the horse and the intentions of the trainer.

If you're betting two-year-olds coming out for the first time the understanding of the workouts and the designators is absolutely critical to picking winners.

[arkansasman]

A very important part in conjunction with the work to me is what the horse did before the work. Example would be - back tracked to the 5/8 pole, galloped a mile and worked five furlongs. It will never be done in the racing form, but I wish they could tell us what the horse did before the actual work.

[WaHoo]

Sar0808

2nd race-#3 Saratoga Snacks 6:1

Improve workouts last 3
3 aug 4f 48.0 Bg
25jul 5f 101.4 Hg
18jul 4f 49.0 B
has 7 workouts 7 days apart

4th race #2 Belvoir 12:1

Improve w/o time last 3
1aug 4f 48.6 Bg
22jul 5f 101.4 Bg
15jul 5f 102

#4 Scandalicious 15:1
like last work and carrying Low Weight

2nd race would bet Win at 5:1 or higher
4th race bet both horses to win if odds are 10:1 or higher.


ps- I do like to look at the horses in Post and going to the gate.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by Edward DeVere

This is utterly absurd.

i am sure you have much better ways of doing things, but i am a dope and don't know any other way. i have been doing this the last 40 years and don't plan on changing my methods in the next 40 either.


i hope you win all your wagers

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by arkansasman

A very important part in conjunction with the work to me is what the horse did before the work. Example would be - back tracked to the 5/8 pole, galloped a mile and worked five furlongs. It will never be done in the racing form, but I wish they could tell us what the horse did before the actual work.

its a great way to do things and i tried following horses around, but its almost impossible to keep track of when they go out on a busy day and often times you don't even know the horse that is on track. most of the time though the trainer has his usual saddle cloths on and you can call the trainer and ask him who the horse is these days with the advent of the cell phone.

[WaHoo]

Originally Posted by WaHoo

Sar0808

2nd race-#3 Saratoga Snacks 6:1

Improve workouts last 3
3 aug 4f 48.0 Bg
25jul 5f 101.4 Hg
18jul 4f 49.0 B
has 7 workouts 7 days apart

4th race #2 Belvoir 12:1

Improve w/o time last 3
1aug 4f 48.6 Bg
22jul 5f 101.4 Bg
15jul 5f 102

#4 Scandalicious 15:1
like last work and carrying Low Weight

2nd race would bet Win at 5:1 or higher
4th race bet both horses to win if odds are 10:1 or higher.


ps- I do like to look at the horses in Post and going to the gate.

close no cigar

2nd race-#3 Saratoga Snacks 6:1,--- went off 5:2 Placed

4th race #4 Scandalicious 15:1
like last work and carrying Low Weight,--- went off 7:1 Placed

[turninforhome10]

Not to redboard after the fact but take a look at the winner of the 4th at Monmouth ant ell me how this horse pays 38 dollars, this was christmas . Perfect workout distance back to speed blowout and look at the roi on Pompay firsters. The rest of the day is gravy. The 3/2 Breen horse finishes out of money.
http://www.brisnet.com/Promo/Free_PPs/mthcomp0821.pdf

[pondman]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

And yet, statistically significant.

When consider a shipper, not only do I want to see a work, but I want to see which track it's recently worked on. I will green light the bet only if it's in the correct order. Significant? I think it's one of the gems of racing-- easy money! Wouldn't bet without the work.

[skate]

WO could be the Key . but it would depend on which track.. the same reason does not follow from track to track nor from trainer to trainer.

nor from Class to class.