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Old 10-17-2014, 07:58 AM   #31
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Actually, several intelligence agencies would disagree with you on this topic.
Some un-revised history....The Niger uranium forgeries are forged documents initially revealed by SISMI (Italian military intelligence). These documents seem to depict an attempt made by Saddam Hussein in Iraq to purchase yellowcake uranium powder from Niger during the Iraq disarmament crisis.

By early 2002, separate investigations by both the CIA and the US State Department had found the documents to be inaccurate. Days before the Iraq invasion, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) voiced serious doubt on the authenticity of the documents to the UN Security Council, judging them counterfeit.

Later Bush admitted "These sixteen words should never have been included." in his January 2003 State of the Union speech."

As I stated, the right is re-writing history. "I told you so" falls flat on it's Neocon butt. And suggesting this monumental failure of foreign policy then and now is some /Communist/Socialist/Dem/Lib grand conspiracy theory is fall down rolling on the floor laughable. Rather, it is typical of how the right weasels out of the blame often.

The historical timeline of before, during, and after the Iraqi War is settled history whether anyone here cares to admit it

To wit for all you 1/2 wits

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Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Assessment of the British Government, also known as the September dossier, was a document published by the British government on 24 September 2002 on the same day of a recall of Parliament to discuss the contents of the document.[1] The paper was part of an ongoing investigation by the government into weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq, which ultimately led to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It contained a number of allegations according to which Iraq also possessed WMD, including chemical weapons and biological weapons. The dossier even alleged that Iraq had reconstituted its nuclear weapons programme. Without exception, all of the allegations included within the September Dossier have been since proven to be false, as shown by the Iraq Survey Group.
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Old 10-17-2014, 08:07 AM   #32
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Just because Cheney didn't leave a paper trail to follow doesn't mean that he didn't out Wilson's wife as a covert CIA agent leading to the death of several of her contacts.
You're joking right? She had no contacts. She wasn't a covert agent. When pressed that story fell apart. I guess you condemn the same thing on the Dem side? They have outted and killed many many contacts. I guess you stay up nights worrying about the horrible terrible conditions that the Doctor who helped us with Osama Bin Laden faces in prison every day? Obama left him to rot.
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Old 10-17-2014, 10:34 AM   #33
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Colbert had this story last nite, as well as an interview with the NYT writer:

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/video...d-wmds-in-iraq

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/video...--c-j--chivers
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Old 10-17-2014, 10:43 AM   #34
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Just because Cheney didn't leave a paper trail to follow doesn't mean that he didn't out Wilson's wife as a covert CIA agent leading to the death of several of her contacts.
Wow.
How many bridges do you own?
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Old 10-18-2014, 11:09 AM   #35
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ome un-revised history....The Niger uranium forgeries are forged documents initially revealed by SISMI (Italian military intelligence). These documents seem to depict an attempt made by Saddam Hussein in Iraq to purchase yellowcake uranium powder from Niger during the Iraq disarmament crisis.
The falsified documents are a red-herring - the fact that some documents were falsified did not change the Intel assessment of either the British or US.
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Old 10-18-2014, 03:58 PM   #36
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I guess NBC was in the tank for the Bush administration.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/n.../#.VELFUfnF-80

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The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
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Old 10-18-2014, 07:01 PM   #37
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You're joking right? She had no contacts. She wasn't a covert agent. When pressed that story fell apart. I guess you condemn the same thing on the Dem side? They have outted and killed many many contacts. I guess you stay up nights worrying about the horrible terrible conditions that the Doctor who helped us with Osama Bin Laden faces in prison every day? Obama left him to rot.
Actual she was a covert agent. They would not close ranks when a special prosecutor was appointed to investigate the outing if she was not covert. You can out a public known agent. A man went to jail protecting Cheney. Bush refused to pardon him.
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Old 10-18-2014, 07:53 PM   #38
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He outed no one.
Many people knew long be he said anything.
and nothing happened because of it.
She was not important enough for anyone to care.
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Old 10-18-2014, 08:05 PM   #39
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I guess NBC was in the tank for the Bush administration.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/n.../#.VELFUfnF-80

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The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
More from the article:
"Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said"


Bush lied. Also from Snopes

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Claim: The removal of yellowcake uranium from Iraq in 2008 proved that Saddam Hussein had been trying to restart Iraq's nuclear program.

Status: False.

After the American invasion in 2003, Tuwaitha was looted. Barrels used to store the yellowcake were stolen and sold to local people, who used them to store water and food and to wash clothes, according to a report by the atomic energy agency. The claim above cites the July 2008 removal of yellowcake from Iraq as proof that Iraq had in fact been buying yellowcake in an attempt to restart its nuclear program (and ultimately produce nuclear weapons) before the U.S. invasion of March 2003, and that therefore the Bush administration was right and Joseph Wilson was wrong. However, that claim is erroneous.

The yellowcake removed from Iraq in 2008 was material that had long since been identified, documented, and stored in sealed containers under the supervision of U.N. inspectors. It was not a "secret" cache that was recently "discovered" by the U.S, and the yellowcake had not been purchased by Iraq in the years immediately preceding the 2003 invasion. The uranium was the remnants of decades-old nuclear reactor projects that had put out of commission many years earlier: One reactor at Al Tuwaitha was bombed by Israel in 1981, and another was bombed and disabled during Operation Desert Storm in 1991. Moreover, the fact that the yellowcake had been in Iraq since before the 1991 Gulf War was plainly stated in the Associated Press article cited in the example above:
Tuwaitha and an adjacent research facility were well known for decades as the centerpiece of Saddam's nuclear efforts.

....The yellowcake removed from Iraq was not the same yellowcake that President Bush claimed, in a now discredited section of his 2003 State of the Union address, that Mr. Hussein was trying to purchase in Africa.
The U.S. did manage to ameliorate a substantial security concern by secretly shipping stored yellowcake out of Iraq in mid-2008, but that act was not, as claimed above, proof that Iraq had been purchasing uranium and attempting to restart its nuclear program prior to the U.S. invasion.

And...

In 1991, Iraq was discovered to have about 500 metric tons (~1 million lbs.) of yellowcake they'd 'forgotten' to mention. George Herbert Walker Bush, his coalition pals, and the International Atomic Energy Agency were so "alarmed" that Iraq had yellowcake, they decided to leave it in Iraq. The "prudent" course of action as they saw it: put it drums, seal it up, and check the seals once a year. They knew an entire year was not long enough for Hussein to make anything dangerous out of yellowcake.

That yellowcake was inspected and remained untouched until Hussein barred the U.N. inspectors in late 1998.

On Oct. 6, 2002, the CIA sent a fax to the White House that stated "the procurement [of yellowcake] is not particularly significant to Iraq's nuclear ambitions because the Iraqis already have a large stock of uranium oxide [yellowcake] in their inventory.

During Dec. 9-11, 2002, before Bush's SOTU claim that Iraq was trying to buy yellowcake from Africa, U.N. Inspectors verified that the yellowcake from 1991 was in Iraq, undisturbed, and still sealed.

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Well there ya go. Snopes.
Almost as reliable as a Colbert sound byte.
Thanks, hcap.

btw, what's the weather outlook for tomorrow?
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Well there ya go. Snopes. Almost as reliable as a Colbert sound byte.
Yes, both are notorious for their unreliability in perpetuating right-wing BS
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Old 10-19-2014, 07:18 AM   #42
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Well there ya go. Snopes.
Almost as reliable as a Colbert sound byte.
Thanks, hcap.
From the SAME NYT article all you revisionist righties are getting your panties clenched up over. You must have missed it Tom.........the first time I posted it......

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"Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said"
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But it is colder today than yesterday.
Your credibility is out the window.
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Saddam used WMD on the Kurds back in 1988. Number of deaths range up to 180,000.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:36 AM   #45
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Claim: The removal of yellowcake uranium from Iraq in 2008 proved that Saddam Hussein had been trying to restart Iraq's nuclear program.

Status: False.
Who needs Snopes, colbert, or an NYT writer, when Saddam himself confessed to the FBI after his capture that if possible he would seek a nuclear capability.
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