Run up distances

[andymays]

Originally Posted by cj

If the track superintendent couldn't tell me why the gate placement varied, who could? To be fair, I would not expect the racing secretary to be involved or even care much, I'm sure he has better things to worry about.

So far they are the only ones who haven't responded well. I did email him back and asked again where I could get the information and I'll post his response when and if I get it.

[cj]

I understand, I'm just saying he probably isn't the right guy to ask.

It should be the responsibility of the gate crew to be consistent with gate placement. I imagine they have never had anybody give them a hard time about the inconsistency, so they don't care. If one of their bosses made it a point to get it right, it would be fixed pretty damn quick.

I specifically asked if the gate was moved around so as not to wear out the same part of the track. The answer was "It moves?"

[FenceBored]

Originally Posted by andymays

This is the answer I just got from the NYRA..

They change every day with every race, the racing form is keeping this information and publishing it in the past performances.
PJ Campo


Amazing!

If the DRF has the info and is publishing it then it must be available right?

This answer from P J Campo doesn't look good for the NYRA in my opinion.

"Don't ask me! The guys put the gate where they want. What's it to you?"

[andymays]

Originally Posted by cj

I understand, I'm just saying he probably isn't the right guy to ask.

It should be the responsibility of the gate crew to be consistent with gate placement. I imagine they have never had anybody give them a hard time about the inconsistency, so they don't care. If one of their bosses made it a point to get it right, it would be fixed pretty damn quick.

In the earlier email from him he said that the run ups changed for every race. That doesn't sound right to me. If it's true that if they have 4 races at 6 furlongs and they all have vastly different run ups then early pace figures are useless.

[cj]

Originally Posted by andymays

In the earlier email from him he said that the run ups changed for every race. That doesn't sound right to me. If it's true that if they have 4 races at 6 furlongs and they all have vastly different run ups then early pace figures are useless.

It is true. Belmont is probably the worst track I have come across in this regard. I would not say the figures are useless if you are aware the run ups change and account for it. I spend probably 5 times as long making figures for Belmont as I do any other track in North America on a daily basis.

[andymays]

Originally Posted by cj

It is true. Belmont is probably the worst track I have come across in this regard. I would not say the figures are useless if you are aware the run ups change and account for it. I spend probably 5 times as long making figures for Belmont as I do any other track in North America on a daily basis.

If he doesn't respond by tomorrow I will call and get an answer.

[46zilzal]

Our gate crew varies in the neighborhood of 5 feet race to race all day long. Having watched first hand for years now, they are very consistent.

[andymays]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

Our gate crew varies in the neighborhood of 5 feet race to race all day long. Having watched first hand for years now, they are very consistent.

Which track?

[Robert Fischer]

one of the obvious differences with run-ups occur when you compare two races at different distances that happen to have dramatic run up differences. Unless you know and understand the run ups, you must blindly have faith in the accuracy of the early pace figures.

[FenceBored]

Originally Posted by andymays

In the earlier email from him he said that the run ups changed for every race. That doesn't sound right to me. If it's true that if they have 4 races at 6 furlongs and they all have vastly different run ups then early pace figures are useless.

Here's Light's question from page one of this thread.

Originally Posted by light

Why do the run up distances change for the same distance,surface,track? For example the 5th at Belmont on 5/31, a 6f dirt race, shows a run up of 64 feet. But the 2nd race at Belmont on 5/30, also a 6f dirt race, shows a run up of only 40 feet.

It seems they do change. 48ft for 6f seems to be the standard, but there are some odd ones. 40-64 ft

Quick check on the Equibase charts:

Date __ R# __ Run Up
5/28 __ 2 ___ 48
5/28 __ 2 ___ 48
5/28 __ 2 ___ 48
5/29 __ 2 ___ 48
5/29 __ 5 ___ 48
5/29 __ 9 ___ 48
5/30 __ 2 ___ 40
5/30 __ 6 ___ 48
5/31 __ 2 ___ 56
5/31 __ 5 ___ 64
6/03 __ 2 ___ 48
6/03 __ 3 ___ 48
6/03 __ 5 ___ 48

[cj]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

one of the obvious differences with run-ups occur when you compare two races at different distances that happen to have dramatic run up differences. Unless you know and understand the run ups, you must blindly have faith in the accuracy of the early pace figures.

As others have mentioned, the differences in run ups at different distances don't really matter. Any decent figure maker is going to have that built into his numbers. What matters is when the run ups are not consistent.

[andymays]

Originally Posted by FenceBored

Here's Light's question from page one of this thread.



It seems they do change. 48ft for 6f seems to be the standard, but there are some odd ones. 40-64 ft

Quick check on the Equibase charts:

Date __ R# __ Run Up
5/28 __ 2 ___ 48
5/28 __ 2 ___ 48
5/28 __ 2 ___ 48
5/29 __ 2 ___ 48
5/29 __ 5 ___ 48
5/29 __ 9 ___ 48
5/30 __ 2 ___ 40
5/30 __ 6 ___ 48
5/31 __ 2 ___ 56
5/31 __ 5 ___ 64
6/03 __ 2 ___ 48
6/03 __ 3 ___ 48
6/03 __ 5 ___ 48

Which track are these for?

[cj]

The run ups are now part of the free charts available at Equibase. Anyone can get the info that wants it.

[FenceBored]

The data I posted was from Belmont.

[andymays]

Originally Posted by cj

The run ups are now part of the free charts available at Equibase. Anyone can get the info that wants it.

I've never been to Equibase. Do the run ups for Santa Anita match up with what I posted earlier? How about Del Mar?

Thanks