Country House has now been vindicated

[The_Turf_Monster]

The subsequent lawsuit from MS' owners looks comical right now. It's almost like CD knew what was happening

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by The_Turf_Monster

The subsequent lawsuit from MS' owners looks comical right now. It's almost like CD knew what was happening

I highly doubt this. The feds would have never told anyone in CD or state regulators what was up. Way too many of those folks are buddies with the horsemen.

The DQ happened honestly. MS took out three horses on the far turn and had to come down.

[deelo]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Let me ask you this.
On the first Saturday in May 2019, how many of the 20 horses
that went to post for the KY Derby ran the race with zero enhancers?

Medication...all of them

Enhancers as in altering red blood cells to hold more oxygen than your rivals and turn a 16k claimer into a monster? Just one that we know of for sure.

[46zilzal]

Soren Kierkegaard Quotes:
"Once you label me you negate me."

[arw629]

Originally Posted by Someday Silent

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Country House was "vindicated". He still lucked out either way. He managed to cross the wire in front of other horses exactly ONCE in his life. Even the much maligned Giacomo and Mine That Bird got to the finish first more than he did.

No one was beating Mine That Bird that day. He blew their doors off. No one has run a better derby since then.

[castaway01]

"Vindicate" is the wrong word, but for all of the whining after Max Security came down, it turned out to be better for racing that a drugged horse didn't win the Derby. So justice was done anyway.

[Appy]

I would think that all those crying for vindication (save for the owners) the window payoff should have been sufficient.

[theotherside]

I think it's a little ridiculous to think the drugging turned what many are considering a common horse into the superstar he is.Did the drugging help a little sure that I wouldn't deny.But to win at the highest level of the game because of PED'S I doubt it.

[cj]

Originally Posted by theotherside

I think it's a little ridiculous to think the drugging turned what many are considering a common horse into the superstar he is.Did the drugging help a little sure that I wouldn't deny.But to win at the highest level of the game because of PED'S I doubt it.

PEDs can only do so much. The horse has to have some real talent. But they can make a fringe stakes horse a G1 winner. It isn't even really debatable.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by theotherside

I think it's a little ridiculous to think the drugging turned what many are considering a common horse into the superstar he is.Did the drugging help a little sure that I wouldn't deny.But to win at the highest level of the game because of PED'S I doubt it.

100% agree. I use a lot of pedigree stuff in addition to regular data in races like KY Derby and he had the goods. (so did Country House and Code of Honor, which is how I played it with 1 or 2 others thrown in).

So, no, Max Sec is no claimer/fringe stakes type and that was obvious before he ran in the Derby. Truth be told though, I did not want him to win because I'm not a Servis fan.

Originally Posted by cj

PEDs can only do so much. The horse has to have some real talent. But they can make a fringe stakes horse a G1 winner. It isn't even really debatable.

I think you meant to type "can't".

[cj]

Originally Posted by clicknow

100% agree. I use a lot of pedigree stuff in addition to regular data in races like KY Derby and he had the goods. (so did Country House and Code of Honor, which is how I played it with 1 or 2 others thrown in).

So, no, Max Sec is no claimer/fringe stakes type and that was obvious before he ran in the Derby. Truth be told though, I did not want him to win because I'm not a Servis fan.



I think you meant to type "can't".

I meant can. PEDs can turn a fringe stakes horse into a G1 winner. A 5k claimer, no, but a stakes horse, absolutely.

If you are reading this board and haven't watched Icarus on Netflix, you should.