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04-02-2018, 08:10 PM
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There were drug positives every year since 2000
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This part is not true.
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04-02-2018, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
This part is not true.
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the Wild Desert episode is flat out fraud-that should be prison time
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04-02-2018, 08:15 PM
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Just saying, you said he had a med violation every year since 2000, and that's simply not true.
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04-02-2018, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Just saying, you said he had a med violation every year since 2000, and that's simply not true.
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I didn't say it-it was excerpts from the article I linked
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04-02-2018, 08:21 PM
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ThoroughbredRulings.com seems to disagree with the article.
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04-02-2018, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
ThoroughbredRulings.com seems to disagree with the article.
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I can't remember the Wild Desert episode. Was that proven he was providing incorrect workout times?
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04-02-2018, 08:28 PM
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THE DATABASE MAY NOT CONTAIN ALL RULINGS ISSUED FOR A SPECIFIC TRAINER. The Database only contains rulings related to Thoroughbred horses for the time period beginning January 1, 2005 to the present. Rulings are posted to the Database as they are obtained from or provided by Commissions or the Association of Racing Commissioners International. The Jockey Club makes no covenants, representations or warranties that the information available in the Database is complete, up to date or accurate.
www.thoroughbredrulings.com/
website disclaimer
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04-02-2018, 08:58 PM
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If you want the full story on Dutrow, I'd recommend this article by Jonathan Stettin https://www.pastthewire.com/rick-dutrow/ and this article by John Pricci http://www.horseraceinsider.com/HRI-...ase-revisited/ Both are highly respected horseracing writers.
You can believe what you want, as long you know the facts and the details. Otherwise your ability to knowledgeably comment is hardly worthy of anyone's attention.
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04-02-2018, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Afleet
I can't remember the Wild Desert episode. Was that proven he was providing incorrect workout times?
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During a hearing where he was appealing a denial of licensure by the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission, Dutrow himself admitted he falsified the identity of Wild Desert so that the horse would be allowed entry into the Aqueduct barn area. He admitted to falsifying a workout at Monmouth for the horse. He also admitted to running the horse under Bobby Frankel's name but still billed the owners for his share of the purse.
All this while serving a 60-day suspension. He also lied during the original investigation into the Wild Desert episode conducted in part by Monmouth officials.
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04-02-2018, 09:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Afleet
THE DATABASE MAY NOT CONTAIN ALL RULINGS ISSUED FOR A SPECIFIC TRAINER. The Database only contains rulings related to Thoroughbred horses for the time period beginning January 1, 2005 to the present. Rulings are posted to the Database as they are obtained from or provided by Commissions or the Association of Racing Commissioners International. The Jockey Club makes no covenants, representations or warranties that the information available in the Database is complete, up to date or accurate.
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I know...I was only looking at 2005 and beyond.
It would be nice to know the source of the article's author. I guess he is more accurate than TBrulings. Whatever.
Most of you are very much missing the point anyway.
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04-02-2018, 09:25 PM
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They should extend his suspension to lifetime.
But they should let the pretty boys who continue to have horses drop dead on them under odd and obvious circumstance continue to run the table.
Just like they continue to let these CRW teams cut odds in half after the gate opens.
Great game.
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04-02-2018, 09:26 PM
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Glad this menace Dutrow is still out of the game.
It would tar the impeccable image of racing since they booted him out.
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04-02-2018, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalding No!
During a hearing where he was appealing a denial of licensure by the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission, Dutrow himself admitted he falsified the identity of Wild Desert so that the horse would be allowed entry into the Aqueduct barn area. He admitted to falsifying a workout at Monmouth for the horse. He also admitted to running the horse under Bobby Frankel's name but still billed the owners for his share of the purse.
All this while serving a 60-day suspension. He also lied during the original investigation into the Wild Desert episode conducted in part by Monmouth officials.
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What a guy! 
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04-02-2018, 09:52 PM
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The first article is incorrect when it states that Dutrow "went 11 years in New York without a fatal breakdown either in the morning or during a race".
Big Stack, who was dropping from a maiden claiming tag of $65K down to $16K in one fell swoop, was pulled up and vanned off in a race on July 1, 2009 at Belmont Park. The horse was subsequently euthanized.
Graded stakes winner Break Water Edison broke down in a workout and was euthanized on May 7, 2010.
Graded stakes winner Stradivinsky was injured in training and subsequently euthanized in June 2011.
Those are only incidents in New York. As someone pointed out, Lake Pontchartrain had to be euthanized after a race at Suffolk in 2001.
In addition, high profile horses like the 9yo Arson Squad and the 6yo Thunder Blitz broke down in workouts.
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04-02-2018, 09:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spalding No!
The first article is incorrect when it states that Dutrow "went 11 years in New York without a fatal breakdown either in the morning or during a race".
Big Stack, who was dropping from a maiden claiming tag of $65K down to $16K in one fell swoop, was pulled up and vanned off in a race on July 1, 2009 at Belmont Park. The horse was subsequently euthanized.
Graded stakes winner Break Water Edison broke down in a workout and was euthanized on May 7, 2010.
Graded stakes winner Stradivinsky was injured in training and subsequently euthanized in June 2011.
Those are only incidents in New York. As someone pointed out, Lake Pontchartrain had to be euthanized after a race at Suffolk in 2001.
In addition, high profile horses like the 9yo Arson Squad and the 6yo Thunder Blitz broke down in workouts.
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The second article makes the same claim as well...at the very end.
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