Rankings of presidents updated to include guess who.

[hcap]

The survey was a 2018 Presidents & Executive Politics Presidential Greatness Survey, by professors Brandon Rottinghaus of the University of Houston and Justin S. Vaughn of Boise State University.

Why are they automatically liars?

Presidents & Executive Politics Section of the American Political
Science Association, the foremost organization of social science experts in presidential politics.

http://www.apsanet.org/section9

Presidents & Executive Politics (PEP) of APSA is the premier association of scholars devoted to the study of the presidency and executives (formerly known as the Presidency Research Group). To that end, it welcomes diverse theoretical perspectives, analytical techniques, and data sources as they contribute to the advancement of scholarship and teaching. It also invites the contributions and perspectives of other disciplines. PEP values the establishment and enhancement of non-partisan links between scholarship, the real world of presidential and executive politics, and public policy.
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You gents just can't stand their conclusion.


Gee, maybe Karl Marx or Saul Alinsky are on their board of directors?

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by hcap

The survey was a 2018 Presidents & Executive Politics Presidential Greatness Survey, by professors Brandon Rottinghaus of the University of Houston and Justin S. Vaughn of Boise State University.

Why are they automatically liars?

They are not automatically liars, their poll is automatically seriously biased.


It is a poll of professors of political science. Studies of college professors in non-technical fields show huge ratios of liberals to conservatives. The link below to a typical study shows liberals out number conservatives by 12-1.


https://www.truthrevolt.org/news/stu...ervatives-12-1

[Tom]

College professors are the ones who "can't" so they "teach."

They do not live in the real world.
No reputable poll about greatness would include a sitting president or even one who was that last prez. Just not a valid poll.

Unless the object of the poll, which it most likely was, was to diss Trump.

[BELMONT 6-6-09]

History will reveal the entire OBAMA mess and it will reflect on his Anti-American agenda. He can run but he can't hide!!!

[mostpost]

As usual you guys clearly did not read the article. It breaks down the results according to self identified political party affiliation and political philosophy, among those identifying as Republicans, Trump ranks fortieth. Among those identifying as conservative or somewhat conservative, Trump also ranks fortieth.
So, it is not just liberals that think Trump sucks.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by mostpost

As usual you guys clearly did not read the article.

The OP posted some nonsense, and I responded to that. I have no obligation to read his source material and explain what it really says.

In any case, the very concept of the poll is inane. We go through this insanity with every new president. Any competent scholar I have read says the same thing: You can't objectively assess the impact of a president in his life time.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by mostpost

As usual you guys clearly did not read the article. It breaks down the results according to self identified political party affiliation and political philosophy, among those identifying as Republicans, Trump ranks fortieth. Among those identifying as conservative or somewhat conservative, Trump also ranks fortieth.
So, it is not just liberals that think Trump sucks.

So you assume no one lied about their party affiliation?
Age-old liberal trick - have someone pretend to be a rep and do bad stuff.
Wake up mostie, smell the coffee.

[davew]

Originally Posted by OntheRail

Why should anybody believe a survey conducted by the obviously radically biased... Ask John and Jane Doe to do that not lilly livered liberals

So is this is crap... you know it.

Come on, this is the 2018 presidents & executive politics presidential greatness survey, not just some random DNC workers poll.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Clocker

They are not automatically liars, their poll is automatically seriously biased.


It is a poll of professors of political science. Studies of college professors in non-technical fields show huge ratios of liberals to conservatives. The link below to a typical study shows liberals out number conservatives by 12-1.


https://www.truthrevolt.org/news/stu...ervatives-12-1

Ok, but that brings up why are college professors and college educated individuals generally more liberal ........

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknF..._academia.html

...Surveys conducted by the Xavier University in Ohio have provided a different explanation of the prevalence of liberal academics in colleges. The survey outlined the so-called 'Self-Selection Hypothesis', which proposed that conservatives were less likely to pursue careers in academia due to a combination of personal preference and belief that they would face more challenges in achieving academic success due in a progressive-dominated field. The study found that conservatives aspired to get into higher-paying jobs, whilst liberals were more likely to be affiliated with community service occupations and were less influenced by monetary gratification.[5]

Furtemore and unfortunately for the right, this disdain and rebellion against higher education means in general less awareness of historical, economic and scientific perspectives on the current dualistic, right/left argument.

Riht wing cynicism about college "elitism" is ant-intellectualism on steroids. So the right wing bias on this board and out there in Trump land against educated, therefore liberal progressive individuals and their viewsis does not mean this presidential study is necessarily wrong.

That is the same anti-intellectualism you gents show towards science and evolution and global warming.

[Tom]

Ok, but that brings up why are college professors and college educated individuals generally more liberal

You really want an answer to that one?
Because many of them do not live in the real world - they live in a protected society where their jobs and their status are protected. They are not doers, they are talkers. they have a classroom full of students whose heads are full of mush and they get to play God and not teach them how to thing but what to think. They get to rally the students to do their work for them.

No self-respecting liberal professor would ever vote for responsibility.

A financial school, or am engineering school pride themselves and measure their worth by the impact their graduates have on the economy, on the building of a greater future. S*Holes like Berkley pride themselves on how many people get arrested.

The last place on earth to find real life people and opinions is a college campus.
Go to W Virginia and ask those coal miners who Hillary told she would shut down their livelihood and find them new jobs what THEY think about the Democratic party and its presidents.

The idea of a college professor poll having ANY credibility is ridiculous.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by hcap

Ok, but that brings up why are college professors and college educated individuals generally more liberal ........

They aren't. The touchy-feely disciplines like sociology and psychology are where the liberal collective congregates.

conservatives were less likely to pursue careers in academia

No, conservatives are more likely to pursue academic careers in the STEM disciplines of science, technology, engineering, and math.

And the idea of "disdain and rebellion against higher education" is more academic clap-trap. The disdain and rebellion is against the ever-increasing social justice warrior mindset that is putting more and more emphasis on political correctness and less and less on actual education.

The bias in the poll is not about academics, it is about limiting those polled to the most liberal wing of academics. And in any case, "presidential greatness" is determined by the judgement of history long after the subject is out of office. This poll is just a popularity contest of members of one of the most liberal subsets of academics.

[Inner Dirt]

Who did they poll a bunch of High School or College kids? That is about the only way they could have attained those results. How does Obama #8 (If I counted right) score ahead of Clinton #13, and Kennedy #16?


Let me guess, the researchers and respondents thought getting a man in the ladies room was more important than getting Soviet missiles out of Cuba, that is why Obama blows away Kennedy.



Seriously every liberal I know well sees the Kennedys as something to be held in very high regard and JFK was the king of that crop. Of the Democratic presidents after JFK they put Bill Clinton as they best of that group. Most of them only credit Obama with being a good speaker and being the first black president of the USA, while giving him an open book of excuses for not accomplishing much due to the state of the union when he took office.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Clocker

They aren't. The touchy-feely disciplines like sociology and psychology are where the liberal collective congregates.

No, conservatives are more likely to pursue academic careers in the STEM disciplines of science, technology, engineering, and math.

And the idea of "disdain and rebellion against higher education" is more academic clap-trap. The disdain and rebellion is against the ever-increasing social justice warrior mindset that is putting more and more emphasis on political correctness and less and less on actual education.

The bias in the poll is not about academics, it is about limiting those polled to the most liberal wing of academics. And in any case, "presidential greatness" is determined by the judgement of history long after the subject is out of office. This poll is just a popularity contest of members of one of the most liberal subsets of academics.

Do you have any stats on the sciences?

No, conservatives are more likely to pursue academic careers in the STEM disciplines of science, technology, engineering, and math.

What about climatology, earth science and paleoclimatology?
Does that mean many of the righties on this board do not have many conservative academics studying those fields, to rely on? What about boxcar and evolution?

Clap-trap? their is a distinct anti-intellectual anti-"elite-ism" on this board and in quite a bit of the conservative echo chamber.

As I said no matter the ratio of liberals to conservatives, that does not mean automatically this and other studies where liberals predominate are wrong.

I will grant you it is early in Trump's term to conclude how bad he is, but many republicans and conservatives dislike him as well.

For sure he is not winning a popularity contest. Except on
Pa off topic.

[Andy Asaro]

The Bush/Obama parlay was the biggest loser in American History.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

Seriously every liberal I know well sees the Kennedys as something to be held in very high regard and JFK was the king of that crop. Of the Democratic presidents after JFK they put Bill Clinton as they best of that group. Most of them only credit Obama with being a good speaker and being the first black president of the USA, while giving him an open book of excuses for not accomplishing much due to the state of the union when he took office.

I have no problem with specific rankings of Democratic presidents, or many Republican presidents

Just though the abysmal showing of Trump was interesting. I would not discount that abysmal conclusion based on specific rankings of other presidents.