Sports Wagering one step closer in NJ....

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by onefast99

You are mistaken... the justices declined to hear the case, allowing the lower court rulings to stand.

That has never stopped any case from going up the ladder again. Just look how quickly senator Lesniak introduced a bill to go along (his thinking) with the lower courts ruling.

Wish I had a dollar for the same issues that try to get on the courts calendar every term. They just voided a law that was on the books for around forty years.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by SandyW

This country has a lot more problems then to worry if New Jersey gets sports betting, they had their chance from Jan. 1, 1993 to Dec. 31, 1993 to take advantage of the 1992 act and did zero about it and now they are crying like babies.

Crying like babies? Nope just doing what it takes to get SW into casinos and racetracks. The lower courts opinion clearly states they can do what they did (deregulate SW for racetracks casinos)

Jersey lost their chance of a regulated SW industry in 1993, any state can deregulate it any which way they choose.

Allan

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by SandyW

That green light will have to go thru the Supreme Court if I am not mistaken.

Nope. They let the lower court ruling stand,

and that clearly lets any state in the union deregulate and be in complaince with PASPA.

Allan

[SandyW]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Nope. They let the lower court ruling stand,

and that clearly lets any state in the union deregulate and be in complaince with PASPA.

Allan

Read Post 256 three times and you may understand that this is already back in the courts as of right now.

[SandyW]

Originally Posted by Canarsie

Technically you are right but Pallone has been in congress for around 25 years. He wields enough power to make shortcuts possible even if the road is extremely rocky. I would much rather have him on my side than against.

Politics aside he has served his constituents well just like senator (previously assemblyman) Thompson has done for Monmouth and Middlesex counties. On an issue like this it is fortunate that two people from different parties can come down on one side of the fence.

Being in Congress 25 years means zero, this will not even be spoken about in the back rooms OF Congress because it is not that important to anyone except New Jersey.
This is a rocky road filled with boulders.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by SandyW

Read Post 256 three times and you may understand that this is already back in the courts as of right now.

The SC is done hearing this one, they passed it isn't going to get a second look anytime soon, reason being....too hot to handle.

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by SandyW

Being in Congress 25 years means zero, this will not even be spoken about in the back rooms OF Congress because it is not that important to anyone except New Jersey.
This is a rocky road filled with boulders.

While you are 100% correct about New Jersey and a rocky road lets consider the state of North Dakota for example.

Pallone:

senior member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, House Natural Resources Committee

Communications Chair of the Democratic Policy Committee


A member of congress from the great state of North Dakota needs a bill he has introduced to get passed in the senate. The HOR is a breeze because his (Pallone) party is the minority. The chances of it being released in the senate are slim because Pallone's party is the majority. So it comes down to I need this and you need that lets get it done. Since it would probably get attached to another bill and its not something their constituents will get crazy about it could pass.

This is exactly how lots of laws, loopholes, pork, etc, get enacted.

[SandyW]

We are 5 weeks into the NFL season this year and no SW yet. Once the football season is over SW really does not matter that much.
The sports leagues will tie this matter up in the courts for a very long time.

[badcompany]

Originally Posted by Canarsie

While you are 100% correct about New Jersey and a rocky road lets consider the state of North Dakota for example.

Pallone:

senior member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, House Natural Resources Committee

Communications Chair of the Democratic Policy Committee


A member of congress from the great state of North Dakota needs a bill he has introduced to get passed in the senate. The HOR is a breeze because his (Pallone) party is the minority. The chances of it being released in the senate are slim because Pallone's party is the majority. So it comes down to I need this and you need that lets get it done. Since it would probably get attached to another bill and its not something their constituents will get crazy about it could pass.

This is exactly how lots of laws, loopholes, pork, etc, get enacted.

The difference is that energy is a vital resource to everybody, whereas, as Sandy noted, no one cares about sports betting.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by SandyW

We are 5 weeks into the NFL season this year and no SW yet. Once the football season is over SW really does not matter that much.
The sports leagues will tie this matter up in the courts for a very long time.

I have to give you credit for thinking out of the box as you do, Christmas Trees aren't relevant in July either! Laying the groundwork for the future makes it necessary for the SW platform to get going as soon as possible. The last thing Dennis Drazin wants to do is put any other possible revenue streams in jeopardy thus the walk on eggshells approach by him has been adopted when it comes to SW.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by badcompany

The difference is that energy is a vital resource to everybody, whereas, as Sandy noted, no one cares about sports betting.

The professional sports leagues care about it a lot or they wouldn't have gone to court to block it! Maybe the professional sports leagues should hear Drazin out and get in on the $.

[badcompany]

Originally Posted by onefast99

The professional sports leagues care about it a lot or they wouldn't have gone to court to block it! Maybe the professional sports leagues should hear Drazin out and get in on the $.

The pro sports league are deathly afraid of their games being seen as illegitimate. That's why they'll never outwardly support gambling.

Of course, behind closed doors they like gambling as it adds interest to the games that might not otherwise be there.

The status quo works fine for the leagues.

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by badcompany

The difference is that energy is a vital resource to everybody, whereas, as Sandy noted, no one cares about sports betting.

Exactly and who is the senior member of HECC? If no one cares it will be very easy to attach something to the energy bill and it passes. The members of congress who are from oil revenue states can explain this quite easily.

The bill wouldn't have gotten out of committee without SW. This legislation means tens of thousands new jobs in our region our lifelong residents can be assured of good paying opportunities staying in our state. I would never approve of SW if it was a standalone but this was the only way (jobs) that we can keep many families intact and not having to move out of state looking for jobs. As a proud lifelong resident I don't want one person leaving because of the rider attached to it.

If and when a SW bill is introduced on its own merits you can be 100% confident that my vote will be "no". You can rest assured watching me argue on the senate or house floor against its passage.

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This is the only possible way for it to get passed but for those who want it there is a sliver of hope.

If you read my previous posts they all say SW will be a failure in NJ even though I hope I'm wrong.

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by onefast99

The professional sports leagues care about it a lot or they wouldn't have gone to court to block it! Maybe the professional sports leagues should hear Drazin out and get in on the $.

Do you really think the NFL wants gambling banned? They would lose 50% or more of its viewers if that (pipedream) ever happened. They just come to the forefront on page one cases and let all others run their course. Even the transcripts just show a minimal effort trying to stop it.

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Nope. They let the lower court ruling stand,

and that clearly lets any state in the union deregulate and be in complaince with PASPA.

Allan

What's taking so long then? Surely a person with your expertise and knowledge of SW would have made sure I could take a twenty minute drive to monmouth.
By some chance do you own a snow plow company? Because that's the way it looks for SW to get started at bare minimum. Maybe you could list the reasons why it will happen before that.

Its one thing to debate this issue. It's another when you claim to have all the answers without substantiating them.