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05-07-2018, 02:38 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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The Derby and Trakus
I've never seen it advertised, but it looks like the Derby's official time comes from Trakus. All the fractions match to the hundredth which never happens if the beam system is used.
The problem is they also appear to have gotten the margins at the finish from Trakus and they are a freaking mess.
Look at the gap here (the black line) between Solomini and Firenze Fire. It is reported in the chart as 2.5 lengths. It isn't the only one that is wrong, but it is the biggest.
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05-07-2018, 02:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I've never seen it advertised, but it looks like the Derby's official time comes from Trakus. All the fractions match to the hundredth which never happens if the beam system is used.
The problem is they also appear to have gotten the margins at the finish from Trakus and they are a freaking mess.
Look at the gap here (the black line) between Solomini and Firenze Fire. It is reported in the chart as 2.5 lengths. It isn't the only one that is wrong, but it is the biggest.
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Did they confuse it with boat lengths??????
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05-07-2018, 02:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I've never seen it advertised, but it looks like the Derby's official time comes from Trakus. All the fractions match to the hundredth which never happens if the beam system is used.
The problem is they also appear to have gotten the margins at the finish from Trakus and they are a freaking mess.
Look at the gap here (the black line) between Solomini and Firenze Fire. It is reported in the chart as 2.5 lengths. It isn't the only one that is wrong, but it is the biggest.
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are the times even correct?
holy moly, how do you mess this up on the Derby.
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05-07-2018, 02:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
are the times even correct?
holy moly, how do you mess this up on the Derby.
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I checked the final time and it seems fine. I haven't checked fractions yet. That takes a lot more work and with the goofy NBC angles I'm not sure how close I can get.
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05-07-2018, 02:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I checked the final time and it seems fine. I haven't checked fractions yet. That takes a lot more work and with the goofy NBC angles I'm not sure how close I can get.
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I noticed not even CDI has their normal feed, its all NBC, I wanted a normal watch of the race.
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05-07-2018, 03:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
I noticed not even CDI has their normal feed, its all NBC, I wanted a normal watch of the race.
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I found the Churchill feed on my ADW. There you can see all the horses cross the line unlike NBC.
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05-07-2018, 04:34 PM
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Thank you cj, for all the work you do bringing stuff like this to everyone's attention! 
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05-07-2018, 04:40 PM
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In that photo, Larry looks to be maybe 10 pounds heavier, too!  
Sad that CJ seems to be the ONLY one in the game concerned about getting it right.
If only they gave the race half the attention they give the hats and weird people.
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05-07-2018, 04:44 PM
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vaguely on topic...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I found the Churchill feed on my ADW. There you can see all the horses cross the line unlike NBC.
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i guess the chartmakers didn't check their own video?
Last edited by zawaaa; 05-07-2018 at 04:53 PM.
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05-07-2018, 04:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
In that photo, Larry looks to be maybe 10 pounds heavier, too!
Sad that CJ seems to be the ONLY one in the game concerned about getting it right.
If only they gave the race half the attention they give the hats and weird people. |
That is Travis. His call is worth a listen.
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05-07-2018, 04:52 PM
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05-07-2018, 05:17 PM
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The more I think about it I suspect Trakus failed so they just borrowed the beam times and put them in their system.
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05-07-2018, 08:42 PM
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Equibase has fixed the big error, but there are two other pretty big ones that remain unchecked.
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05-07-2018, 08:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Equibase has fixed the big error, but there are two other pretty big ones that remain unchecked.
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Its a full time gig CJ, being a QC for a company of that size. I am sure you are well compensated.
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05-07-2018, 09:15 PM
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CJ,
Did you notice the "chiclets" during the races?
They were jumping around like Mexican jumping beans!
Must have been all kinds of interference from all those people in the infield?
How do we know if anything is right?
Last edited by Denny; 05-07-2018 at 09:18 PM.
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