President Donald J. Trump

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

First its important to note I'm referring to both Trump and a large chunk of his "base."

- MAGA, "I'm a nationalist"
- Zero-sum Trade, Socialism for votes, Attacks on Harley, economic policy based on "national security"
- Check out the White House page on LGBT stances... oh wait they removed it.
- I mean really "bodyslam," "enemy of the people," "lock her up" "pay your legal fees"

- No it doesnt. Democrats have never met a problem they couldn't solve with others people money among other problems... but those don't apply to them.

Go further:









These can all be used to describe the Trump administration. A few here or there is common in most parties groups, Bernie supports tariffs for example, but when taken in their whole... there's a lot. Here is Laurence Brinns 14 points of Fascism. Trump and his supporters check most boxes.

Trump is a nationalist as historically defined as "wanting what is best for his country". I don't think anyone denies that Trump is out to improve the lives of Americans against those who would subjugate the US to a globalist cabal.

You are off the rails here. Where does Trump practice "severe economic regimentation'? In fact, he is all-in on reducing govt intervention through reduction of regulation and taxation. Trump is the exact opposite of what you believe him to be.

So because Trump does not support govt interference in private matters, such as sexual orientation, you believe that makes him somehow a supporter of social regimentation? He's not attacking it, but not going all in on social issues makes him an enemy of the people? Got it.

Please provide one example where Trump has forcibly suppressed the opposition? Maybe you have Trump confused with Antifa and Maxine Waters, who have time and again displayed a penchant for forcible suppression of the opposition. And let us not forget that Obama had the IRS suppress the Tea Party movement. I guess you don't consider that action by Obama to be fascist?

You're delusional. The democrats are MUCH closer to fascism than Trump ever contemplated. You are so close to the democrat sun that you are blinded by it. It's actually quite funny to see someone contort themselves to defend the defenseless actions of their own kind.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

You went full on global "cabal" right away? Thanks for making that point an easy one.

I listed multiple things. You addressed none because you agree with them.

Banned transgendered in the military. Removes any mention of "the gays" from his site. Has his Justice department actively working to remove people's legal status.

How many times did Hitler forcibly suppress someone? Again you respond to nothing I said. Do you want him to come down off the podium and throw a guy out personally? Or is promoting violence against the guy by offering to pay his legal fees not enough for you?

Funny that you say this stuff and them post absolutely nothing but a personal attack in response. How fascist of you... I must be a lib because I disagree with you... funny how Trump supporters have to pigeonhole any and all opposition into a convenient box so they can pile their rhetorical attacks on it.

Notice mine had zero personal attacks in it.

Then you completely (conveniently) ignore the rest of the post which comes from the same page.

Run along now.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

You went full on global "cabal" right away? Thanks for making that point an easy one.

I listed multiple things. You addressed none because you agree with them.

Banned transgendered in the military. Removes any mention of "the gays" from his site. Has his Justice department actively working to remove people's legal status.

How many times did Hitler forcibly suppress someone? Again you respond to nothing I said. Do you want him to come down off the podium and throw a guy out personally? Or is promoting violence against the guy by offering to pay his legal fees not enough for you?

Funny that you say this stuff and them post absolutely nothing but a personal attack in response. How fascist of you... I must be a lib because I disagree with you... funny how Trump supporters have to pigeonhole any and all opposition into a convenient box so they can pile their rhetorical attacks on it.

Notice mine had zero personal attacks in it.

Then you completely (conveniently) ignore the rest of the post which comes from the same page.

Run along now.

Here is the very definition of fascism. It counters most of your arguments with pictures rather than words since the words aren't helping you. You are welcome for the lesson.

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[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Here is the very definition of fascism. It counters most of your arguments with pictures rather than words since the words aren't helping you. You are welcome for the lesson.

https://youtu.be/sUsvF_eHBdA

More misdirection.

Were discussing Fascism and Trumpism.

You can't stay on topic because it's a loser for you.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

More misdirection.

Were discussing Fascism and Trumpism.

You can't stay on topic because it's a loser for you.

Your arguments are tired and silly and I grow tired of the back and forth. No disrespect intended, but you don't bring anything of substance to the table when you won't acknowledge that the left has huge problems with violent activities. Fascism best describes antifa in every way, shape, and form. There is no stronger picture of fascism in America today than Antifa. I understand why you want to quickly move past that discussion, but it doesn't help any with your credibility, such as it is, when you won't address that elephant in the room.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Your arguments are tired and silly and I grow tired of the back and forth. No disrespect intended, but you don't bring anything of substance to the table when you won't acknowledge that the left has huge problems with violent activities. Fascism best describes antifa in every way, shape, and form. There is no stronger picture of fascism in America today than Antifa. I understand why you want to quickly move past that discussion, but it doesn't help any with your credibility, such as it is, when you won't address that elephant in the room.

My comment on violence from earlier:

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Or...

Both sides have crazies and some bad apples don't speak for a people in their entirety?

Main difference though is the rights bad apple starts at the top... oh... and that he and his supporters are Fascists.

The thing you keep denying while not really discussing.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

My comment on violence from earlier:



Main difference though is the rights bad apple starts at the top... oh... and that he and his supporters are Fascists.

The thing you keep denying while not really discussing.

I have discussed fascism at length. The definition fits the dems to a T. I'm not liable for your hiding from it.

Oh, and let's not forget the ball field shooting of the GOP last year. Another lefty. You guys are out of control. Shooting at Congressmen, killing 11 in a synogogue, and roughly up old people here, there, and everywhere. But this is a righty problem started by Trump.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

The real big squeeze will be November 6. Lemonade for all!

Uh......

[woodtoo]

You look surprised. But not as surprised as fakeCNN.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

I have discussed fascism at length. The definition fits the dems to a T. I'm not liable for your hiding from it.

Oh, and let's not forget the ball field shooting of the GOP last year. Another lefty. You guys are out of control. Shooting at Congressmen, killing 11 in a synogogue, and roughly up old people here, there, and everywhere. But this is a righty problem started by Trump.

Then no offense... you're a ****ing moron, a closet anti-semite or at least apologist, and a facist....

- Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

- Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

- Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

- Supremacy of the Military

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

- Rampant Sexism

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

- Controlled Mass Media

Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

- Obsession with National Security

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

- Religion and Government are Intertwined

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

- Corporate Power is Protected

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

- Labor Power is Suppressed

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

- Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

- Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

- Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

- Fraudulent Elections

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

[tucker6]

Somebody's been triggered...

I wrote a lot of posts today to get you over the edge, but the effort finally bore fruit. I feel compelled to take a bow. Your true self is coming through in all its glory.

I won't call you names, as that's against the rules. Considering your words today though, I'd have to say that you are not the typical democrat, but an Antifa anarchist. Can you show us what your mask looks like in action? I'd love to say hello as a fellow PA poster if I ever meet you in a lefty mob action.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Somebody's been triggered...

I wrote a lot of posts today to get you over the edge, but the effort finally bore fruit. I feel compelled to take a bow. Your true self is coming through in all its glory.

I won't call you names, as that's against the rules. Considering your words today though, I'd have to say that you are not the typical democrat, but an Antifa anarchist. Can you show us what your mask looks like in action? I'd love to say hello as a fellow PA poster if I ever meet you in a lefty mob action.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Somebody's been triggered...

I wrote a lot of posts today to get you over the edge, but the effort finally bore fruit. I feel compelled to take a bow. Your true self is coming through in all its glory.

I won't call you names, as that's against the rules. Considering your words today though, I'd have to say that you are not the typical democrat, but an Antifa anarchist. Can you show us what your mask looks like in action? I'd love to say hello as a fellow PA poster if I ever meet you in a lefty mob action.

I'm pretty anti-Fascist you got that right.

Go log into Stormfront and see how many posts you agree with but then follow up with "they aren't really Nazis."

Seriously would be a good exercise for you... check it out!

Your opinions on a lot of matters would get you rep points!

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I'm pretty anti-Fascist you got that right.

See, we got somewhere after all. No wonder we disagree all the time. I'm a fiscal conservative and social moderate, while you are a far left fiscal and social progressive. Can you see Bernie to your right or is he too far away from you to see?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Walk into your nearest crowded establishment and start loudly saying that guy wasn't a Nazi.

Report back your results.