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Old 09-04-2014, 11:02 AM   #391
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What difference, at this point, does it make?
America has to suffer Obama 28 more months yet.
One can only imagine how much of a mess he'll make over that time period.
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Old 09-04-2014, 11:05 AM   #392
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I know you meant this as sarcasm, but it is true that Bush did not present all the facts to congress.
What president ever did? You truly think any of them work with all the facts?
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Old 09-04-2014, 11:15 AM   #393
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What difference, at this point, does it make?

Bush left a mess for Obama to clean up.
So what? The world's been a mess for years. This country's a mess for a shitload of reasons Bush had no control over. He had the right idea with Iraq, at least it was a start in trying to stabilize the area. Obama removed any hope for success by removing our troops. Now we go back with the situation many times worse.
This is modern day warfare and the war has been raging for years. At least Bush was involved. Obama's been sitting on his ass doing nothing and now has little choice but to jump in with new troops. Bush already had them there.
Stupid !!!
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Old 09-04-2014, 11:56 AM   #394
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What president ever did? You truly think any of them work with all the facts?
If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
The typical family will save $2,500/year.
This is not a tax. Oops, it is a tax.
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Old 09-04-2014, 12:08 PM   #395
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Many of them were calling for the end of SH before Bush took office.
You cannot spin this.
But feel free to amuse us all trying.
Hello! Watch the whole thing, I had forgotten what bunch of liars Bill and Hill were over the years


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Old 09-04-2014, 12:10 PM   #396
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If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
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The typical family will save $2,500/year.
This is not a tax. Oops, it is a tax.
He should have been impeached by now for this alone.

Hiding illegal immigrants should be the second count
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Old 09-04-2014, 12:29 PM   #397
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He should have been impeached by now for this alone.
Impeachment is too good for this rat.
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Old 09-04-2014, 12:40 PM   #398
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350 troops being sent into Iraq just for the embassy.
Mission creep.
Where is the outrage from the left?
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Old 09-04-2014, 01:01 PM   #399
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What difference, at this point, does it make?

The point I was trying to make is all of Obama decisions has politics as the bottom line even when the country's national defense is on the line.
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Old 09-04-2014, 01:14 PM   #400
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What difference, at this point, does it make?

The point I was trying to make is all of Obama decisions has politics as the bottom line even when the country's national defense is on the line.
That was my point too. The Dems are more concerned about blaming Bush and making alibis for Obama than in actually addressing the issues. My point was that what Bush did or didn't do is history. However we got to where we are now doesn't change the fact that Obama is not dealing with it.
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Old 09-04-2014, 01:35 PM   #401
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That was my point too. The Dems are more concerned about blaming Bush and making alibis for Obama than in actually addressing the issues. My point was that what Bush did or didn't do is history. However we got to where we are now doesn't change the fact that Obama is not dealing with it.

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Old 09-04-2014, 02:09 PM   #402
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Which proves the original point.
God, you are so desperate to blame it all on Bush.
The original point Ralph made was that "countless Democrats" voted to go to war with Iraq.

Trying to point fingers at Democrats for the decision to declare War on Iraq is the very definition of "desperation".
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Old 09-04-2014, 02:21 PM   #403
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The original point Ralph made was that "countless Democrats" voted to go to war with Iraq.

Trying to point fingers at Democrats for the decision to declare War on Iraq is the very definition of "desperation".
It's not desperation. It's truth. Albeit I would never say it wasn't GW's idea. He got the gang to come along. In fact prior to Bush being Prez there were some who thought SH should be taken out. Including Billy Boy who alluded to it.

Let's just agree that you can't put the blame on Dems, and you can blame Bush. But they went along...........for the ride
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Old 09-04-2014, 03:14 PM   #404
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Trying to point fingers at Democrats for the decision to declare War on Iraq is the very definition of "desperation".
If you point fingers at repubs for voting for it, how can you NOT point them at dems, too?

It is what it is.

Unlike the Unaffordable Carae Act which is 100% the fault of dems.
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Old 09-04-2014, 03:43 PM   #405
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Unlike the Unaffordable Care Act which is 100% the fault of dems.
It's not Congress' fault. They had to pass it to find out what was in it. And then Obama changed it all with his pen and phone anyway, so it didn't matter what was in it.
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