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Old 04-13-2021, 05:25 PM   #16
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Well if it looks like a Pig, smells like a Pig, and sounds like a Pig. We all know the rest of the story. California is not going to bail Horse racing out and we can thank Stronach for keeping it going this long. Reality is the world some of live in.
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Old 04-15-2021, 01:14 PM   #17
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I have something of a west coast bias (as some on this forum know), and even I know the product at Santa Anita completely sucks these days.
Your honesty is appreciated, dilanesp. It is a disgrace what has happened. I remember (early to mid '80s) watching the Weekly show on Saturday morning in Lexington to see important races from the West Coast. I also would be amazed at the numbers I would see in the Sports section of the Newspaper for Santa Anita. Attendances on a Saturday of 65,000 plus.
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Old 04-15-2021, 02:06 PM   #18
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Umm...Santa Anita doesn't have casino revenues...
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Old 04-15-2021, 03:28 PM   #19
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Even I rolled my eyes when this thread curved off into announcers for a bit. What?
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Old 04-15-2021, 03:46 PM   #20
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I may be in the minority here...but I refuse to get caught up in the "sentimentality" and the 'majesty' that some people associate this game with. There is no need for "California Racing" if the product there fails to meet the expectations of the betting public. Like everyone else, I too got indoctrinated in the game during the "live attendance" era, and it took me a very long time to make the transition to the home-betting environment...but that's what the future demands, and there is no use dwelling in nostalgia for our sport's "glorious" past. IMO...what the 21st century horseplayer needs is an attractive betting spectacle where the pools are large and the racing is competitive. And it doesn't matter if this takes place in California...New York...or anywhere else in between. This being mainly a gambling game, the BETTING opportunities are the chief attraction...not the "majesty" -- or the "historical significance" -- of the racing locale.
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Old 04-15-2021, 03:49 PM   #21
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I may be in the minority here...but I refuse to get caught up in the "sentimentality" and the 'majesty' that some people associate this game with. There is no need for "California Racing" if the product there fails to meet the expectations of the betting public. Like everyone else, I too got indoctrinated in the game during the "live attendance" era, and it took me a very long time to make the transition to the home-betting environment...but that's what the future demands, and there is no use dwelling in nostalgia for our sport's "glorious" past. IMO...what the 21st century horseplayer needs is an attractive betting spectacle where the pools are large and the racing is competitive. And it doesn't matter if this takes place in California...New York...or anywhere else in between. This being mainly a gambling game, the BETTING opportunities are the chief attraction...not the "majesty" of the racing locale.
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Old 04-15-2021, 04:02 PM   #22
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I may be in the minority here...but I refuse to get caught up in the "sentimentality" and the 'majesty' that some people associate this game with. There is no need for "California Racing" if the product there fails to meet the expectations of the betting public. Like everyone else, I too got indoctrinated in the game during the "live attendance" era, and it took me a very long time to make the transition to the home-betting environment...but that's what the future demands, and there is no use dwelling in nostalgia for our sport's "glorious" past. IMO...what the 21st century horseplayer needs is an attractive betting spectacle where the pools are large and the racing is competitive. And it doesn't matter if this takes place in California...New York...or anywhere else in between. This being mainly a gambling game, the BETTING opportunities are the chief attraction...not the "majesty" of the racing locale.
I always pictured it as SAR, DMR, BEL, SA, CD, KEE, OP, GP, MTH, FG and maybe a few others with only 3-4 of them opened at any given time. The handle for each would be huge and many of them would draw large crowds because they are still popular or very close to vacation destinations (which should be pushed). If CA decides it doesn't want racing, so be it. But if it wasn't competing for horses and handle it would surely be one of the survivors and winners.
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Old 04-15-2021, 06:12 PM   #23
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I may be in the minority here...but I refuse to get caught up in the "sentimentality" and the 'majesty' that some people associate this game with. There is no need for "California Racing" if the product there fails to meet the expectations of the betting public. Like everyone else, I too got indoctrinated in the game during the "live attendance" era, and it took me a very long time to make the transition to the home-betting environment...but that's what the future demands, and there is no use dwelling in nostalgia for our sport's "glorious" past. IMO...what the 21st century horseplayer needs is an attractive betting spectacle where the pools are large and the racing is competitive. And it doesn't matter if this takes place in California...New York...or anywhere else in between. This being mainly a gambling game, the BETTING opportunities are the chief attraction...not the "majesty" -- or the "historical significance" -- of the racing locale.
It's not "in between" and if you haven't gotten a clue from all of my previous comments about HK racing by now I feel sorry for all those who've be so "indoctrinated" to the Stateside game. I'm certainly not going to cover all of the superior details again about the HK product that's offered, because anyone with half a brain that really enjoys this game could recognize it in an instant and never look back!
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It's not "in between" and if you haven't gotten a clue from all of my previous comments about HK racing by now I feel sorry for all those who've be so "indoctrinated" to the Stateside game. I'm certainly not going to cover all of the superior details again about the HK product that's offered, because anyone with half a brain that really enjoys this game could recognize it in an instant and never look back!
It's not "be". And I apologize for not "having gotten a clue" from all your previous comments about HK racing. But you'll be happy to know that all your previous posts haven't been totally wasted on me. For one thing...they've done wonders curing my insomnia.
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Old 04-15-2021, 07:25 PM   #25
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It's not "be". And I apologize for not "having gotten a clue" from all your previous comments about HK racing. But you'll be happy to know that all your previous posts haven't been totally wasted on me. For one thing...they've done wonders curing my insomnia.
Yes, the word was been. That's what happens when you typing so fast and the spell check passes a valid word and the grammar check isn't functioning. LOL

As far as the insomnia goes that would only apply to the weekend racing at Sha Tin, but a nap ahead of time sure works wonders. On Wednesdays at Happy Valley the racing starts around 6 AM. Not bad if you're an early bird.

In either case, it's well worth any hourly timing inconvenience. I've personally derived more satisfaction from HK racing in the last 6 years then all of the many more years I've spent on Stateside racing because of the quality and integrity their game.
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I don't doubt that HK has a great racing product, but it's really hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Most of us already have our favorite tracks where we know the horses, trainers, riders, typical biases, class pecking order and how to read the PPs and charts we use etc.. Some have databases or computer programs that assist with their handicapping. Playing HK would be close to starting from scratch and learning a new game. That's a big ask. If HK does a great job, you would hope the US learns from them and makes the game here better rather than trying to convince the players here to switch. Ultimately though things like that may happen if they don't think far enough ahead.
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Old 04-16-2021, 05:07 PM   #27
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I don't doubt that HK has a great racing product, but it's really hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Most of us already have our favorite tracks where we know the horses, trainers, riders, typical biases, class pecking order and how to read the PPs and charts we use etc.. Some have databases or computer programs that assist with their handicapping. Playing HK would be close to starting from scratch and learning a new game. That's a big ask. If HK does a great job, you would hope the US learns from them and makes the game here better rather than trying to convince the players here to switch. Ultimately though things like that may happen if they don't think far enough ahead.
When you say “most of us” it sounds like you’re describing the indoctrination of the majority of players on this forum.
In all likelihood that indoctrination also includes all the various handicapping methodologies that everyone is using so successfully.

However, I believe anyone with a basic understanding of the game (no matter how they attack it) would have very little problem transferring their experience to another racing jurisdiction. In fact, once they discover all of the obvious attributes in terms of information provided by the HK Jockey Club they’re going to wonder what the hell they’ve been missing all these years! Then, they can also reflect on the multitude of threads posted on PA and elsewhere on ALL the vital short-comings of Stateside racing any why the decline has become so obvious.

Many of these threads have delivered some very practical and common-sense approaches to solving many of these issues. Unfortunately, due to the splintering of the race regulating bodies here in the States and because of their greed and mismanagement, ALL of the well intentioned posted opinions made are I’m sorry to say reaching DEAF EARS.
I believe they’re going to squeeze as much as they can out of this local game until its completely defunct.
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Old 04-18-2021, 04:43 PM   #28
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I rarely play California but this card is pathetic today. There’s something fundamentally wrong when I see 5 horses running in California and I see full cards in Arkansas
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I rarely play California but this card is pathetic today. There’s something fundamentally wrong when I see 5 horses running in California and I see full cards in Arkansas
If you think today's card at SA was bad take a look at yesterday's!
(Sat 4/17) What a Joke and on a SAT no less!
At least today's card had some fields with more than 5 entries.
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If you think today's card at SA was bad take a look at yesterday's!
(Sat 4/17) What a Joke and on a SAT no less!
At least today's card had some fields with more than 5 entries.
And yet...Santa Anita feels that their turf course needs a "break".
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