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Old 10-23-2018, 12:14 PM   #871
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Carnac the Magnificent says.......
There have been 3 leaks regarding Kelly's temper in the past couple of months... from stuff that happened months prior.

Coincidence?

Doubt it.
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Old 10-23-2018, 12:16 PM   #872
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......who's up for a 2,000 mile walk this week.
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Old 10-23-2018, 01:53 PM   #873
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If we are using the market as one barometer of economic policy it should be noted its remained essentially flat since all the trade talk started.
The Markets should never be taken as a proxy for anything, good or bad. Period. End of conversation.
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Old 10-24-2018, 08:10 AM   #874
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All President Trump gets are lemons.

And he makes the best lemonade ever.
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Old 10-24-2018, 12:10 PM   #875
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All President Trump gets are lemons.

And he makes the best lemonade ever.
A lot of people got their lemons squeezed on election night 2016.
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Old 10-27-2018, 06:39 PM   #876
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President Trump speaks directly to the people again early tonight in Airport Hangar #6 Murphysboro, Illinois. Thus bypassing the crooked media.
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Old 10-27-2018, 06:40 PM   #877
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A lot of people got their lemons squeezed on election night 2016.
The real big squeeze will be November 6. Lemonade for all!
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The rally in Charlotte, NC was very inspirational. Better than Reagan.
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The rally in Charlotte, NC was very inspirational. Better than Reagan.
They get better and better with age like a fine wine.
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Hinting at banning immigration from certain countries hhhmmmm.
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Old 10-28-2018, 07:14 AM   #881
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If we are using the market as one barometer of economic policy it should be noted its remained essentially flat since all the trade talk started.
It should be noted that the 'trade talk' actually started in the lobby of Trump Tower in July 2015 when Trump announced he's running for President. And it should be noted that the markets haven't remained essentially flat since then -- they've gone skyward.

Every day since he announced his presidential aspirations he talked of unfair trade deals, onerous trade deficits, 'China', 'NAFTA' and, of course, how he'll correct all this starting with tariffs. There were no secrets from Trump about his business, economic, and trade agenda if elected.

The USA rewarded him with his election; the Wall Street crowd approved too by the historic leap to 25,000 in the Dow and all-time record highs in NASDAQ, plus, Main Street also approved of Trump and his economic and 'trade' policies.

There's record low unemployment levels, record high job creation and most of all, lower taxes for corporations and individuals, plus capital goods spending by corporations are at historic, record levels.

The 'trade', economic and business policies of Trump are indeed working, much to the chagrin and angst of the naive and ignorant.
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It should be noted that the 'trade talk' actually started in the lobby of Trump Tower in July 2015 when Trump announced he's running for President. And it should be noted that the markets haven't remained essentially flat since then -- they've gone skyward.

Every day since he announced his presidential aspirations he talked of unfair trade deals, onerous trade deficits, 'China', 'NAFTA' and, of course, how he'll correct all this starting with tariffs. There were no secrets from Trump about his business, economic, and trade agenda if elected.

The USA rewarded him with his election; the Wall Street crowd approved too by the historic leap to 25,000 in the Dow and all-time record highs in NASDAQ, plus, Main Street also approved of Trump and his economic and 'trade' policies.

There's record low unemployment levels, record high job creation and most of all, lower taxes for corporations and individuals, plus capital goods spending by corporations are at historic, record levels.

The 'trade', economic and business policies of Trump are indeed working, much to the chagrin and angst of the naive and ignorant.
But Trump is a racist, misogynistic, Nazi-loving, morally bankrupt, autocratic, dictator lover, lacking trade and economic knowledge capitalist pig. I heard MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, NYT, and other major rags say so. Not to mention Elysian. Can't forget Elysian.
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Old 10-28-2018, 08:48 AM   #883
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But Trump is a racist, misogynistic, Nazi-loving, morally bankrupt, autocratic, dictator lover, lacking trade and economic knowledge capitalist pig. I heard MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, NYT, and other major rags say so. Not to mention Elysian. Can't forget Elysian.
Fascist... the inability to grasp the difference says a lot.
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Fascist... the inability to grasp the difference says a lot.
I'll play. How is this definition of fascism apply to Trump?

a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

To be honest, it applies much more to the democrats. Care to disagree with facts rather than emotion?
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I'll play. How is this definition of fascism apply to Trump?

a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

To be honest, it applies much more to the democrats. Care to disagree with facts rather than emotion?
First its important to note I'm referring to both Trump and a large chunk of his "base."

- MAGA, "I'm a nationalist"
- Zero-sum Trade, Socialism for votes, Attacks on Harley, economic policy based on "national security"
- Check out the White House page on LGBT stances... oh wait they removed it.
- I mean really "bodyslam," "enemy of the people," "lock her up" "pay your legal fees"

- No it doesnt. Democrats have never met a problem they couldn't solve with others people money among other problems... but those don't apply to them.

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Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.
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Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.
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One common definition of the term focuses on three concepts: the fascist negations (anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism); nationalist authoritarian goals of creating a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture; and a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence and promotion of masculinity, youth and charismatic leadership.
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Roger Griffin describes fascism as "a genus of political ideology whose mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist ultranationalism".[37] Griffin describes the ideology as having three core components: "(i) the rebirth myth, (ii) populist ultra-nationalism and (iii) the myth of decadence".
These can all be used to describe the Trump administration. A few here or there is common in most parties groups, Bernie supports tariffs for example, but when taken in their whole... there's a lot. Here is Laurence Brinns 14 points of Fascism. Trump and his supporters check most boxes.

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- Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

- Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

- Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

- Supremacy of the Military

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

- Rampant Sexism

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

- Controlled Mass Media

Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

- Obsession with National Security

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

- Religion and Government are Intertwined

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

- Corporate Power is Protected

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

- Labor Power is Suppressed

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

- Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

- Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

- Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

- Fraudulent Elections

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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