The coronavirus

[sammy the sage]

Originally Posted by hcap

Assessment of Deaths From COVID-19 and From Seasonal Influenza
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2766121

Conversely, COVID-19 fatalities are at present being counted and reported directly, not estimated.

yep...got hit by a car...but had cov-19...so that's what killed 'em

Got gun shot in a liberal city...but had cov-19...that's what killed 'em,

Had stage 4 cancer in hospice but got cov-19 ...that's waht killed 'em

yada, yada, yada,

when all those labs got caught reporting 100% of cases had cov-19....well that tells the whole story...

more bullshit....

[PaceAdvantage]

Here's the bottom line...the lock downs were total garbage.

All they did was delay the inevitable.

They never should have happened in the first place.

We would have gotten through any "overwhelmed" healthcare systems by doing just what we did (you remember...the things that we did that were barely utilized....)

If a healthcare system shows signs of becoming overwhelmed, you go in and shore it up...

Nationwide lock downs were a terrible idea for a variety of reasons. The sensible among us knew this from the start.

We knew that locking down wasn't going to stop the spread of the virus, unless you locked down FOREVER.

You don't lock down a nation with the hopes that some vaccine will eventually save us. How can you count on something that has NEVER been successfully invented before (a corona virus vaccine)? How foolish was THAT notion?

BTW, where did Bill Gates go? lulz

[hcap]

Originally Posted by sammy the sage

But the CDC and worldwide estimates are THAT cov-19 is UNDER reported (for lack of testing or whatever) by a factor of 10 Fold....

Which means THE so-called fatality rate is off by a FULL decimal point...

Explain THAT....you can't...it's being TOTALLY ignore because it DESTROYS an agenda.....

carry on with bogus bullshit...

Even the seasonal flu numbers are ESTIMATES!

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

The burden of influenza on the United States can vary widely from season to season and is affected by a number of factors including the characteristics of circulating viruses, the timing of the season, population immunity to circulating viruses, how well influenza vaccines are working, and how many people have gotten vaccinated. While the impact of influenza varies from season to season, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year.

CDC uses a mathematical model to estimate the numbers of influenza illnesses, medical visits, hospitalizations, and deaths in the United States, (1-4) as well as, the impact of influenza vaccination on these numbers. The methods used to calculate the burden of influenza have been described previously (1-2). More recently, the same model was adopted to estimate influenza-associated deaths in the United States. This methodology has been used to retroactively calculate influenza burden, including deaths, going back to 2010.
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So, we will not know a a more accurate fatality estimate until covid has been around for a while. However we can do a hospitalization comparison. I posted this earlier. The severity of covid-19 is much worse than the seasonal flu.
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Assessment of Deaths From COVID-19 and From Seasonal Influenza
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2766121

This apparent equivalence of deaths from COVID-19 and seasonal influenza does not match frontline clinical conditions, especially in some hot zones of the pandemic where ventilators have been in short supply and many hospitals have been stretched beyond their limits. The demand on hospital resources during the COVID-19 crisis has not occurred before in the US, even during the worst of influenza seasons. Yet public officials continue to draw comparisons between seasonal influenza and SARS-CoV-2 mortality, often in an attempt to minimize the effects of the unfolding pandemic.

And

.....There are a number of considerations. Deaths from COVID-19 may be undercounted owing to ongoing limitations of test capacity or false-negative test results. When patients present late in the course of illness, upper respiratory tract samples are less likely to yield positive test results. Conversely, influenza counts may be less reliable because adult influenza deaths are not reportable to public health authorities, as is the case for COVID-19 deaths. Moreover, because adult influenza deaths are not reportable, epidemiologists must rely on surveillance mechanisms that attempt to account for potential underreporting. S

Why da F**k do you deniers continue denying?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Tom

Hope do you know that time frame?
Where is the science behind it?

Read the article I linked to by a renowned epidemiologist. Where is the "science" behind applying your bogus 2 Bens crock of crap, to pandemic denial?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Why should a society that kills over 600,000 babies a year suddenly be so concerned about this virus?



Table of Abortion Totals Reported by the CDC

2013 ............... 664,435
2014 ............... 652,639
2015 ............... 638,169
2016 ............... 623,471

Abortions are regrettable. But dying from an very contagious infectious disease where the action or inaction of one's neighbor, has nothing to do with your straw man, abortion. Separate issues. Both morally and medically.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by davew

exactly, so what are we going to die of first? virus or catastrophic climate disruption? anyway we are all probably on our last 10 years so it is too late

More likely from utter disgust and laughter, reading the volumes that will be written about your inept moron, post-moron.

[clicknow]

I'm reading this news story about a house party that some kids in Middletown NJ had, ages 15-19. It turned into a covid-19 cluster. What I don't get is when health officials attempted to contact parents and teens for contact tracing, their response was "less than satisfactory" but later the parents have been "more responsive" according to the health department, "We have received a large response from parents who weren't aware of the situation..."

This is 20 kids. At a house party. That means approx. 20 parents. How could that many parents be unaware of their kids, at those ages, and what they are doing/experiencing?

I was thinking the party was okayed by one of the parents and maybe there was underage drinking involved so they got all nervous, but you'd think a normal parent would be more concerned about their kid's health. When health depart is calling you, and not the police, it's usually about a health matter.

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Here's the bottom line...the lock downs were total garbage.

All they did was delay the inevitable.

They never should have happened in the first place.

We would have gotten through any "overwhelmed" healthcare systems by doing just what we did (you remember...the things that we did that were barely utilized....)

If a healthcare system shows signs of becoming overwhelmed, you go in and shore it up...

Nationwide lock downs were a terrible idea for a variety of reasons. The sensible among us knew this from the start.

We knew that locking down wasn't going to stop the spread of the virus, unless you locked down FOREVER.

You don't lock down a nation with the hopes that some vaccine will eventually save us. How can you count on something that has NEVER been successfully invented before (a corona virus vaccine)? How foolish was THAT notion?

BTW, where did Bill Gates go? lulz

So it's still the flu right?

He just did a Ted Talk abt 2 weeks ago on status of virus/vaccine efforts/etc. Still heavily involved. Still spending billions to try and help people who don't deserve it (looking at you).

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Here's the bottom line...the lock downs were total garbage.

All they did was delay the inevitable.

They never should have happened in the first place.

We would have gotten through any "overwhelmed" healthcare systems by doing just what we did (you remember...the things that we did that were barely utilized....)

If a healthcare system shows signs of becoming overwhelmed, you go in and shore it up...

Nationwide lock downs were a terrible idea for a variety of reasons. The sensible among us knew this from the start.

We knew that locking down wasn't going to stop the spread of the virus, unless you locked down FOREVER.

You don't lock down a nation with the hopes that some vaccine will eventually save us. How can you count on something that has NEVER been successfully invented before (a corona virus vaccine)? How foolish was THAT notion?

BTW, where did Bill Gates go? lulz

Did you not notice this comparison of these countries, our allies who payed attention to their scientists and instituted homogeneous lock dowsns, as we piddled away the public health under your pathetic moron's inconsistent watch?

YouTube (Short URL)

BTWS, International deaths are already approaching 650,000 and....


United States
Coronavirus Cases:
4,251,024
Deaths:
148,529

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by Tom

Your boy is a fool and everyone knows it.

I seem to remember you saying 4 years ago that you could vote for Biden.
Change your mind about as often as Trump, huh?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by JerryBoyle

So it's still the flu right?

He just did a Ted Talk abt 2 weeks ago on status of virus/vaccine efforts/etc. Still heavily involved. Still spending billions to try and help people who don't deserve it (looking at you).

Did I say that? No I didn't.

I guess when you have nothing to add, you fall back on useless words.

How has the lock down in the US worked out? It didn't stop anything...it just delayed the inevitable. The sensible among us knew this from the start. That's why we sat in wonderment at what was happening all around us.

I agreed with the social distancing. I agreed with shutting down schools (at the time, because the little info we had was inconclusive as to how children could spread the virus). I agreed with banning huge gatherings such as sporting events and concerts. There are many steps that were taken that were reasonable in the early stages.

But then it went way too far for way too long. And now we're seeing it didn't matter one bit. Look at that US graph of cases...

Now compare it to the much maligned Sweden.

There is your answer in black and yellow (Johns Hopkins Website).

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

Did you not notice this comparison of these countries, our allies who payed attention to their scientists and instituted homogeneous lock dowsns, as we piddled away the public health under your pathetic moron's inconsistent watch?



https://youtu.be/3P3e6-pwNac

BTWS, International deaths are already approaching 650,000 and....


United States
Coronavirus Cases:
4,251,024
Deaths:
148,529

What I see is a parabolic rise in cases that timed almost perfectly to the Democrat-endorsed riots, looting and protests.

Good job there...

[Tom]

Originally Posted by sammy the sage

But the CDC and worldwide estimates are THAT cov-19 is UNDER reported (for lack of testing or whatever) by a factor of 10 Fold....

Which means THE so-called fatality rate is off by a FULL decimal point...

Explain THAT....you can't...it's being TOTALLY ignore because it DESTROYS an agenda.....

carry on with bogus bullshit...

Math trumps science!

[Tom]

We were ready to overwhelmed hospitals.
TRUMP saw to that.

The spread was slowed a great deal by Trump's CHina travel restrictions.

The spread was enabled by the actions of Pelosi and Fauchi.

People who have offered NO solution but now continually attack those who sucked it up and did take action -

Pelosi
Schumer
Schiff
Nadler
NY Times
Wash Post


People who acted totally out of stupidity and try to blame Trump

Cuomo
De Blasio

Be prepared - NEXT year, if Trump is Prez, the dems will want to shut down when FLU breaks out.

Thanks, PA.......

[GMB@BP]

I think here in Az we are looking at 3500 cases and 125 deaths per day, feels like is the normalized place we are at now and will last likely for the next half a year or until something dramatically changes.

So maybe 525,000 positives and 20000 or so deaths would not shock me at all here.