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Old 04-11-2013, 10:38 PM   #16
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One of the things that NY racing does that i don't agree with is all these horses entering and scratching for no particular reason other than the trainer or owner probably handicapped the race and didnt like what they saw. If i was running the track, you enter, you run and if you dont run, you get penalized. If you don't like it, race someplace else.

But, since its a trainers and owners game, you arent going to ever get places to care about the product as much as they care about the whishes and whims of horse owners and trainers.
You can form and incorporate a business, and start your own racetrack. We won't be talking hypotheticals then.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:51 PM   #17
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You can form and incorporate a business, and start your own racetrack. We won't be talking hypotheticals then.
The hypothetical's business is a cheaper business to run.
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:55 AM   #18
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back in my training days if you scratched you were on the vets list no if's, and's or but's about it. had to work the horse to get off. there were still scratches, but not that many. it was a pain in the hinder for trainers. cuz if you wanted to enter the next day for another race you were basically screwed.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:17 PM   #19
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i think it is too early with turf racing. if my memory serves me, early in the turf season it is a bit flaky as to how the turf races pan out. when we get warmer weather up here and belmont opens, is when i remember the turf racing really getting off to a start.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:59 PM   #20
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Try Pimlico
In today's 3rd at Pimlico (off the turf) 12 out of 16 entrants are scratched, leaving a field of four.
I know it's an off the turfer, but 12 of 16 is a lot.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:04 PM   #21
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In today's 3rd at Pimlico (off the turf) 12 out of 16 entrants are scratched, leaving a field of four.
I know it's an off the turfer, but 12 of 16 is a lot.
Tiznow Julie entered for main track...not sure why a horse like that would be scratched, that makes no sense whatsoever.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:08 PM   #22
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Tiznow Julie entered for main track...not sure why a horse like that would be scratched, that makes no sense whatsoever.
Hell, it's a 22k purse and many scr horses have run well on dirt - you're bound to get a check if you just RUN!
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:27 PM   #23
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Hell, it's a 22k purse and many scr horses have run well on dirt - you're bound to get a check if you just RUN!
I hear ya! That Julie horse would have been 2-5 in there if "She" had run.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:42 PM   #24
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Why don't we have this problem anywhere else, you only see this amount of scratches at AQU, BEL, and SAR. I guess the reason is that they let the trainers get away with it.

Pick any other track, OAK, KEE, CD, TAM, GP, SA, DMR, HOL, CRC, DEL, WBN, AP you name any other venue and you don't have this scratch problem.
It's very common at all Mid-Atlantic tracks, largely because there are a lot of opportunities to run and races to be filled. Granted right now there aren't a ton of other turf opportunities, but there are some.

All tracks can do is try to card races that suit the horses they have on the grounds. Any type of hard line approach---"If you scratch you can't enter any more horses"---would simply drive those owners and trainers to the many other tracks in the region and lead to even smaller fields.

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Old 04-12-2013, 04:59 PM   #25
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i think it is too early with turf racing. if my memory serves me, early in the turf season it is a bit flaky as to how the turf races pan out. when we get warmer weather up here and belmont opens, is when i remember the turf racing really getting off to a start.
When they hit those Belmont turf courses I know the playing year has truly begun.And I'm in Cincinnati!
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:10 PM   #26
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Why should turf racing be any different than dirt races?
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:25 PM   #27
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Why should turf racing be any different than dirt races?
Some horses are strictly turf horses!
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There are tons of state bred turfers just raring to go.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:34 PM   #29
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Some horses are strictly turf horses!
I meant with short fields and tons of scratches that NYRA dirt race have. Why should you expect the turf races have full fields and no scratches when the dirt races don't? It is NYRA and that is what we have been getting most days on the dirt. That said they are still good races to bet because there is usually at least one horse getting a fair amount of money in each race that has next to no chance of winning.
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