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08-22-2017, 04:26 PM
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Mad as hell !
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Originally Posted by jms62
Trump gave no timetable, numbers or definition of victory here and it is a genius move. Mark this down within a year victory will be declared and an announcement that the troops are scheduled to come home. Because he was allowed to give no specifics he doesn't even really need to do anything here except wait and declare victory. Kelly's first big score.
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As long as Kelly stays in charge, I expect things to simmer down .
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08-22-2017, 04:27 PM
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tmrpots
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Originally Posted by Jess Hawsen Arown
Another one who has no idea why Trump is so popular.
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34% approval rating...popular... 
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President Trump is a flawed individual who is skilled in all of the areas necessary to be a great functional President.
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He is the first president EVER to put the will of TRUMP as Job ONE.
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Fixed your post.
You are very entertaining. Please don't stop. 
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08-22-2017, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jms62
Trump gave no timetable, numbers or definition of victory here and it is a genius move. Mark this down within a year victory will be declared and an announcement that the troops are scheduled to come home. Because he was allowed to give no specifics he doesn't even really need to do anything here except wait and declare victory. Kelly's first big score.
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Mission Accomplished
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08-22-2017, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyb
Mission Accomplished 2.0
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08-23-2017, 10:54 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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08-24-2017, 03:22 AM
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what an easy game.
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Originally Posted by Tom
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as i said, i can onky hope , and ofcourse vote. there are some good people on "on both sides", of the aisle.
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08-24-2017, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jms62
Trump gave no timetable, numbers or definition of victory here and it is a genius move. Mark this down within a year victory will be declared and an announcement that the troops are scheduled to come home. Because he was allowed to give no specifics he doesn't even really need to do anything here except wait and declare victory. Kelly's first big score.
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Your post makes absolutely no sense...
If that was his plan why would he hold a presser in the first place? No one is clamoring for an Afghanistan Talk. Most are hoping the President can make it two weeks without making a fool out of himself.
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08-24-2017, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jms62
Trump gave no timetable, numbers or definition of victory here and it is a genius move. Mark this down within a year victory will be declared and an announcement that the troops are scheduled to come home. Because he was allowed to give no specifics he doesn't even really need to do anything here except wait and declare victory. Kelly's first big score.
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So he will accomplish nothing there, except losing more American lives, declare victory, and leave. And no one in the media will notice that nothing has changed over there, that the country is still the mess it always has been? No one will notice that the Taliban will reestablish a position there?
Just like when the Russians gave up and pulled out, except not even the Russians had the nerve to call it a victory.
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08-24-2017, 10:56 PM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by Clocker
So he will accomplish nothing there, except losing more American lives, declare victory, and leave. And no one in the media will notice that nothing has changed over there, that the country is still the mess it always has been? No one will notice that the Taliban will reestablish a position there?
Just like when the Russians gave up and pulled out, except not even the Russians had the nerve to call it a victory.
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I don't see how anything else can happen.
Mattis seems to think something different can occur. Unless you want to build some bases and occupy the place for 20 years, it will revert.
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08-25-2017, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Your post makes absolutely no sense...
If that was his plan why would he hold a presser in the first place? No one is clamoring for an Afghanistan Talk. Most are hoping the President can make it two weeks without making a fool out of himself.
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Why hold a presser? So he gets his "plan" out into the public domain.
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1. Timelines
2. What victory even means in Afghanistan
Having given zero details he now has a clear path to declaring victory cause no one knows what victory even means? Destroy ISIS? ISIS Isn't a country it is thousands of cockroaches that are infiltrated with the general populace. You kill a thousand they will be replaced by 2 thousand more. Trump wants no part of Afghanistan and this strategy will allow him to get out and declare "Victory" and he will declare his strategy worked. This is all one big play to score what him and his cult will see as a huge politcsl win. Check back 12 months from now.
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08-25-2017, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
I don't see how anything else can happen.
Mattis seems to think something different can occur. Unless you want to build some bases and occupy the place for 20 years, it will revert.
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Exactly. The Russians figured that out after almost 10 years of war there in the 1980s and just left. They didn't even have the nerve to declare victory.
We have been there since 2001, and are doing marginally better than the Russians because we are paying the various tribes there billions of dollars to pretend to be our friends. It doesn't change the reality. Why is Trump sending more troops? What can they accomplish that we haven't been able to accomplish in 16 years?
We need to admit reality, cut our losses and leave. And hope that Putin is dumb enough to come in after we get out. Don't bother calling it victory, because anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that it isn't.
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08-25-2017, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
Exactly. The Russians figured that out after almost 10 years of war there in the 1980s and just left. They didn't even have the nerve to declare victory.
We have been there since 2001, and are doing marginally better than the Russians because we are paying the various tribes there billions of dollars to pretend to be our friends. It doesn't change the reality. Why is Trump sending more troops? What can they accomplish that we haven't been able to accomplish in 16 years?
We need to admit reality, cut our losses and leave. And hope that Putin is dumb enough to come in after we get out. Don't bother calling it victory, because anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that it isn't.
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We shall see how many have an IQ under room temperature.
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08-25-2017, 10:46 AM
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4000 troops are a drop in the bucket. Country is the size of Texas, add to that the areas being used in Pakistan. Factor in terrain, enemy blending in with locals... It's a pipedream on Trumps part.
At the height of the Viet Nam war (1968) we had 536,000 troops in country along with 820,000 ARVN, 7500 Australians, 50,000 Koreans, 6000 Thai, 1500 Phillipinos and a scattering from New Zealand. A real cluster ****. How'd that turn out?
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08-25-2017, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jms62
We shall see how many have an IQ under room temperature.
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Yes, we shall. It will be anyone that believes Trump when he does any little thing and defines that as victory after the fact.
Just like he redefined the popular vote in the election as the actual number adjusted for "millions" of illegals, and then proclaimed victory in the popular vote. 
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08-25-2017, 11:40 AM
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Upon further review, it turns out that Trump did define victory. From his August 21 speech:
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When America commits its warriors to battle, we must ensure they have every weapon to apply swift, decisive, and overwhelming force. Our troops will fight to win. We will fight to win. From now on victory will have a clear definition: Attacking our enemies, obliterating ISIS, crushing Al Qaeda, preventing the Taliban from taking over Afghanistan, and stopping mass terrorist attacks against America before they emerge.
We will ask our NATO allies and global partners to support our new strategy with additional troop and funding increases in line with our own.
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No problem now that we have those additional 4000 troops.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahba...peech-n2371559
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