Finger Lakes is talkin' turf for 2019

[Hambletonian]

and in other breaking news, the Brockton Fair will be installing a 3 furlong turf course inside it's main oval, in order to attract fuller fields and offer better quality racing

We can never forget on the high quality $1500 claimers that used to grace the turf at Waterford Park! If there was no turf course, the track would have disappeared! But with a turf course, they were able to attract full fields, better horses, and become one of the finest tracks in the nation LOL.

Finger Lakes is what it is. If not for racino subsidies they would be racing for 4k a race. And racing them on turf, dirt, down pillows or roast beef sandwiches, its the same horses, really slow NY breds.

Yes, there may be a few extremely cheap turf specialists that would be able to race there that currently ship out, but there is no way the track would be spending their own money to do this.

Consider Massachusetts. There would be no interest in building a racetrack, even with the funds available for purses, if the proposing entity had to build the track with it's own money. All plans seem to revolve on one plan or another to use OPM to get the track built. Then with the purse money available, it doesn't even matter if anyone bets on the product.

I have absolutely nothing against Finger Lakes, and I know the breeding industry in NY will suffer greatly if it disappeared, mainly because it seems that 95% of NY breds cannot compete unless running against their homebred brethren.

But to pretend this will lead to a renaissance in upstate NY racing, well, probably not.

[Quesmark]

When trainers ship horses to Saratoga from outside NY they can bring some horses along,which while they wouldn't be competetive at the Spa,might continue on to FL if there were a condition on turf that suited their abilities.

[RunForTheRoses]

Originally Posted by Quesmark

When trainers ship horses to Saratoga from outside NY they can bring some horses along,which while they wouldn't be competetive at the Spa,might continue on to FL if there were a condition on turf that suited their abilities.

There's a classic Jacinto Vasquez quote, this is a butchered version, he got off a beaten horse at Saratoga and the trainers asks what he thought, and Jacinto says he needs to run further, "what 7 furlongs?, no he needs to run further away at Finger Lakes.

[deathandgravity]

Now if EMD will follow follow suit.. I might actually go back. 5 1/2 F 5 horse fields are not my cup of tea

[Thomas Roulston]

Who has been advocating this for years?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Quesmark

When trainers ship horses to Saratoga from outside NY they can bring some horses along,which while they wouldn't be competetive at the Spa,might continue on to FL if there were a condition on turf that suited their abilities.

We have a class that anyone would be able to race in -

"For horses....."

[Thomas Roulston]

Originally Posted by cj

Not really. That would (should) limit the route races to 9f and those horses (for the most part) aren't going to want any parts of that distance.

Not if a Wilson Mile chute was added - and if it was the turns that were expanded, from the current 1/4 of a mile to 5/16 of a mile (at Saratoga the turns are only 9/32 of a mile long - which is probably why the Wilson Mile chute did not survive). This would give Finger Lakes the same configuration as Ellis Park - plus a Hollywood-style diagonal chute could branch out from the beginning of the backstretch on the turf course, creating a 6-furlong distance on turf.

[ultracapper]

Originally Posted by deathandgravity

Now if EMD will follow follow suit.. I might actually go back. 5 1/2 F 5 horse fields are not my cup of tea

EMD is actually designed for an inner turf track. It's all laid out, with the tote board positioned properly, with an infield shoot for a mile on the turf. They even have the infield swamps positioned to keep the turf track relatively dry. I've wondered why they haven't developed it. Just standing in the 3rd floor grandstands you can easily and clearly see the intentions.

[Thomas Roulston]

Of course there is also the possibility of Green Mountain Race Track making a comeback - which was actually in the pipeline a while back, but then-Governor Howard "The Primal Screamer" Dean put the kibosh on that because "cruel" greyhound racing would be conducted for part of the year, along with both thoroughbreds and trotters. And the configuration of the original track was 6 1/2 furlongs (!) - the circumference of the inner turf course of my proposed track; yes, the no-doubt decaying grandstand and clubhouse (which is located above the grandstand, not beyond the finish line as is the case with most clubhouses), would have to be torn down - but hey, in for a penny, in for a pound, and a local family from nearby North Adams, MA by the name of Tietjen or something like that, in fact purchased the property for a penny (he actually bought it for $1 if I'm not mistaken).

[deathandgravity]

Originally Posted by ultracapper

EMD is actually designed for an inner turf track. It's all laid out, with the tote board positioned properly, with an infield shoot for a mile on the turf. They even have the infield swamps positioned to keep the turf track relatively dry. I've wondered why they haven't developed it. Just standing in the 3rd floor grandstands you can easily and clearly see the intentions.

I was out @ EMD about 10 years ago for a private function in one of their Suites & asked one of the EMD Reps why they never finished the turf course. His answer was: “there are not enough turf horses in the Pac NW”. Laughed & responded… “There are no turf horses because there is no turf racing, finish the turf course & they will probably show up.” No reply.
Shame… they need to do something to improve the product. Been to Del Mar & Saratoga more in the past 10 years then I have to Emerald Downs.

[ultracapper]

Originally Posted by deathandgravity

I was out @ EMD about 10 years ago for a private function in one of their Suites & asked one of the EMD Reps why they never finished the turf course. His answer was: “there are not enough turf horses in the Pac NW”. Laughed & responded… “There are no turf horses because there is no turf racing, finish the turf course & they will probably show up.” No reply.
Shame… they need to do something to improve the product. Been to Del Mar & Saratoga more in the past 10 years then I have to Emerald Downs.

In this case, they couldn't possibly think that a population of turf horses will appear, and then they can prepare a turf course. Nobody could be that stupid, could they?

[cj]

I've always heard the way the track sits and the amount of rain the track gets would make turf racing problematic at Emerald Downs.

[kingfin66]

I think the configuration would work. The track was laid out to include a turf course and chute. The rainfall could potentially be a problem, although we get most of it during the winter. The infield of the track is used to collect storm water drainage. It creates a huge pool that would definitely encroach on a turf course. The track would have to find a way to redirect that water to another area. The bottom line with Emerald Downs is that if something costs for than $1.58 to do, they won't do it unless it involves a casino. I would not expect turf racing there any time soon.

[FantasticDan]

BUMP

A year later, and I've been wondering why I hadn't heard a peep about this potential project in the year since it was "announced"..

Now I know why.. NYS has authorized FL owner Delaware North to use capital improvement funds to build the course, but DN isn't really interested:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...nger-lakes-but

Oh well.. at least FL is getting some purse hikes:

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...-finger-lakes/

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

BUMP

A year later, and I've been wondering why I hadn't heard a peep about this potential project in the year since it was "announced"..

Now I know why.. NYS has authorized FL owner Delaware North to use capital improvement funds to build the course, but DN isn't really interested:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...nger-lakes-but

Oh well.. at least FL is getting some purse hikes:

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...-finger-lakes/

There was a thread about it here a few days ago:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=149909