Is it possible that there are no real speed figs?

[pondman]

Originally Posted by Cratos

You obviously do not understand the post because it had nothing to do with storage of data,, but everything to do with the explanation of the relationship between variables.

In general, many people see the world in linear relationships; nonlinear relationships which define the horse's race curve is difficult to understand by many.

Also please be reminded that the laws of motion is over 250 years old and is very valid and productive in today's calculation of objects in motion.

A 6th grader can get the speed rating results of every race run in the US for several years. They will be able, with 6th grade set theory, see there are a few hot spots in the US, that consistently produces a margin of profit. They will also see many more areas to avoid.

But in response to your statements-- there are reason for a high rate of astronaut fatalities. Man is not as smart as he thinks he is.

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by castaway01

And virtually every person who made a lot of money wagering on horse racing all the way back to Pittsburgh Phil knew absolutely nothing about the laws of motion. You're using a cruise missile to blow up a gnat.

And you have proof of that assertion?

[Tom]

Reality?

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by Cratos

And you have proof of that assertion?

Logic? Common sense? The idea that none of these guys were physics professors but all knew how to wager on horses and win?

[Capper Al]

What I got out of this thread is that some speed figures are actually prime numbers and not speed figures, by my definition of what a speed fig should be. Also, I was amazed that Beyer speed didn't adjust for weight in the past.

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by pandy

Another thing I stated, and Classhandicapper backed me up on both of these opinions, all speed figure services get numbers wrong. I noticed that some of you like to beat up on the Beyers, well, the Beyers are very good. Timeform's numbers are very good. But, they all have numbers that are just not right because it's not an exact science.

I don't have near the handicapping experience most of you have. I've only used Brisnet figures since I started, and have no experience with Beyers yet. I'm looking forward to using Timeform for the first time this weekend.

There seemed to be a pretty striking difference between Bris and Beyer concerning the horse Dazzling Gem in the Arkansas Derby. According to a friend who uses Beyer exclusively, Dazzling Gem's figs for the three races prior to the Ark. Derby were 74, 83, and 83. Brisnet's numbers for the same races were 87, 89, and 98. The third race was the Louisiana Derby; Beyer shows no improvement between the second and third races, Brisnet's indicates pretty solid progress. CJ, if you see this and it's not too much trouble to check, did you show a significant difference in the two races?

Using Bris numbers I had DG ranked fourth, which is where he finished, unfortunately, because at 18/1 I took a stab. But my system also had Cupid ranked first, and he finished tenth, so there you go.

Mule

[raybo]

Originally Posted by Mulerider

I don't have near the handicapping experience most of you have. I've only used Brisnet figures since I started, and have no experience with Beyers yet. I'm looking forward to using Timeform for the first time this weekend.

There seemed to be a pretty striking difference between Bris and Beyer concerning the horse Dazzling Gem in the Arkansas Derby. According to a friend who uses Beyer exclusively, Dazzling Gem's figs for the three races prior to the Ark. Derby were 74, 83, and 83. Brisnet's numbers for the same races were 87, 89, and 98. The third race was the Louisiana Derby; Beyer shows no improvement between the second and third races, Brisnet's indicates pretty solid progress. CJ, if you see this and it's not too much trouble to check, did you show a significant difference in the two races?

Using Bris numbers I had DG ranked fourth, which is where he finished, unfortunately, because at 18/1 I took a stab. But my system also had Cupid ranked first, and he finished tenth, so there you go.

Mule

That's about where Dazzling Gem ranked in my program, and lots of programs had Cupid ranked #1, so there you go! It's horse racing - LOL!!

[cj]

Originally Posted by Mulerider

I don't have near the handicapping experience most of you have. I've only used Brisnet figures since I started, and have no experience with Beyers yet. I'm looking forward to using Timeform for the first time this weekend.

There seemed to be a pretty striking difference between Bris and Beyer concerning the horse Dazzling Gem in the Arkansas Derby. According to a friend who uses Beyer exclusively, Dazzling Gem's figs for the three races prior to the Ark. Derby were 74, 83, and 83. Brisnet's numbers for the same races were 87, 89, and 98. The third race was the Louisiana Derby; Beyer shows no improvement between the second and third races, Brisnet's indicates pretty solid progress. CJ, if you see this and it's not too much trouble to check, did you show a significant difference in the two races?

Using Bris numbers I had DG ranked fourth, which is where he finished, unfortunately, because at 18/1 I took a stab. But my system also had Cupid ranked first, and he finished tenth, so there you go.

Mule

This is what I had for the three races before the Arkansas Derby. (He ran 112 on Saturday)

[pondman]

Originally Posted by Mulerider

I don't have near the handicapping experience most of you have. I've only used Brisnet figures since I started, and have no experience with Beyers yet. I'm looking forward to using Timeform for the first time this weekend.


Mule

Spend a year looking at the numbers. You'll find there are a few good spots. And you'll find spots that you should avoid. You've got to take additional steps and know the when and the where of the game.

It's less important how they are made, as long as they are consistent. If you run 3 or 4 sets of numbers, you'll find some do well on a specific track, surface, and at a distance. While others do better elsewhere.

And then you'll run across an angle or two, that completely confounds the ratings. That's when you'll make really good money.

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by cj

This is what I had for the three races before the Arkansas Derby. (He ran 112 on Saturday)

Thanks very much!

[MitchS]

I usually take at strong look at the "top 3" of my "SR rating" (Speed in last) with each race and look for value. Then compare this with other traditional and non-traditional factors that may present themselves in the race. Here is how I had it with this race.

Last race (SR) figure

#1 RANKED- CUPID- 102.4
#2 RANKED- WHITMORE- 99.2
#3 RANKED- CREATOR- 93.4

Dazzling Gem- 87.6