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cj · 05-07-2012, 04:45 PM

I have a good relationship with Equibase and reached out to them first. They will get me an answer soon I am sure.

cj · 05-07-2012, 05:13 PM

OK, definitely being looked into. This is outright fraud what is going on now. These times have no basis in reality. I won't let this one die.

CincyHorseplayer · 05-07-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cj

OK, definitely being looked into. This is outright fraud what is going on now. These times have no basis in reality. I won't let this one die.

Don't let it die.And if you need me I'll ask them in person.This is my home track.And that goes for anybody.I'm a part of HANA and will represent anybody's request.That's my part.Let me know.

cj · 05-07-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CincyHorseplayer

Don't let it die.And if you need me I'll ask them in person.This is my home track.And that goes for anybody.I'm a part of HANA and will represent anybody's request.That's my part.Let me know.

They are pretty much lying to customers. These are races, so you would think getting the time correct would be important. Apparently, at River Downs, it is not.

As I said earlier, it would be more fair to the public to post no times instead of what they are doing now.

CincyHorseplayer · 05-07-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cj

They are pretty much lying to customers. These are races, so you would think getting the time correct would be important. Apparently, at River Downs, it is not.

As I said earlier, it would be more fair to the public to post no times instead of what they are doing now.

I'll be down there Friday,if you haven't heard anything by then let me know.I'll email you Thursday night.This place is pis$ing me off so bad it's not funny.I love this track and they just crap all over me.A girl last week even swept up my lens cap to my binoculars.Aaaaarrrrggggghhhhhhh......

duncan04 · 05-09-2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

Are they posting splits to the live feed? If so, it may absolve Equibase if they aren't aware that the teletimer is being operated manually (if that is the case).

Yes they are posting the splits to the live feed. Just wondering are they still using a stopwatch?

cj · 05-09-2012, 04:44 PM

Apparently, all the past races are going to be re-timed and all data files updated with these new times. Also, times for future races are going to be closely monitored, not just by me.

duncan04 · 05-09-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CincyHorseplayer

I'll be down there Friday,if you haven't heard anything by then let me know.I'll email you Thursday night.This place is pis$ing me off so bad it's not funny.I love this track and they just crap all over me.A girl last week even swept up my lens cap to my binoculars.Aaaaarrrrggggghhhhhhh......

Haven't been there yet this year. Maybe this weekend, I heard they made all these improvements. Is it noticeable?

sjk · 05-09-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cj

Apparently, all the past races are going to be re-timed and all data files updated with these new times. Also, times for future races are going to be closely monitored, not just by me.

Any info as to when and where will the new times will
be available?

cj · 05-09-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sjk

Any info as to when and where will the new times will
be available?

No, but I'll provide updates here. I'm not sure how accurately races can be re-timed, ESPECIALLY the splits, so I'm skeptical for now.

But, like I said, anything is better than what is posted now. Those times are outright fabrications.

Tom · 05-09-2012, 09:46 PM

Way to go CJ!

johnhannibalsmith · 05-09-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cj

... I'm not sure how accurately races can be re-timed, ESPECIALLY the splits, so I'm skeptical for now.

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If the video work is decent enough and the person doing the timing is both well acquainted with the configuration and placement of poles, plus willing to invest the time to watch each race a few times and take it seriously - I think a respectable, but imperfect job could be done. In my experience, a track with a pole that marks a split stop located beyond the apex of the turn into the frontside can be tough to gauge from the traditional pan angle (especially if the leader that would trip the timer is rallying outside of horses), but really, someone truly interested in getting it right should be able to handle the assignment if the video work gives him/her a shot at it.

johnhannibalsmith · 05-09-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan04

Yes they are posting the splits to the live feed. Just wondering are they still using a stopwatch?

Some (perhaps most/all) timing systems allow for a manual operation akin to using the system as a stopwatch. It is mainly a diagnostic function, but if it were to be used to "hand time" the races, it would appear on the display as though it were being tele-timed. If EQB was simply pulling splits from the display without being aware of the situation, they'd have little to no idea that the race is being hand-timed. Though, you'd think someone building charts would pick up that the splits are preposterous sooner or later and test the veracity of what they are reporting in the charts using a stopwatch.

cj · 05-10-2012, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

If the video work is decent enough and the person doing the timing is both well acquainted with the configuration and placement of poles, plus willing to invest the time to watch each race a few times and take it seriously - I think a respectable, but imperfect job could be done. In my experience, a track with a pole that marks a split stop located beyond the apex of the turn into the frontside can be tough to gauge from the traditional pan angle (especially if the leader that would trip the timer is rallying outside of horses), but really, someone truly interested in getting it right should be able to handle the assignment if the video work gives him/her a shot at it.

What are the chances that a racetrack using antiquated timing equipment would have the necessary video software for this task? I put it at about 1,000,000 to 1.

johnhannibalsmith · 05-10-2012, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cj

What are the chances that a racetrack using antiquated timing equipment would have the necessary video software for this task? I put it at about 1,000,000 to 1.

I'll grant you that... I just watched a few replays on Twinspires and doubt that I would be able to pull it off using that video. The pan shot tightens up too much late in a lot of the races to see the last few poles, but it does look that at least two of them are marked out on the inside rail with black paint. Again, it won't ever be perfect, but if you can operate a watch well and the video doesn't lean on the lead horse's nose (which to its credit doesn't seem to in the races I viewed) so you get an idea of when the pole is about to be crossed - I actually think that someone fairly intimately knowledgable of the track and competent at timing could do a much improved job on what is out there now.