Lets play guess the super.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Alwaysonpoint36

5 horse field in which the fav ran out.#cmonson. paid generous imo.

The 3rd place horse paid 20 bucks to show.

Ok, it was generous. I usually love getting 12 bucks when I can get a 55-1 to finish 3rd beating the 1-2 shot.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

thanks for playing.

Super paid 27.30 for a dime.

so $273.00 for a buck...

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I thought it was a little low, i know what you're saying about the bombs being overbet underneath, so maybe it was a "Fair" price. its hard to get a lot of money with the 10 cent minimum when 2 of the top 3 contenders run 1-2 no matter what happens underneath.

And I imagine your contention is that the dime minimum "allows" too many people into the pool?
Sort of like, "they don't belong there"?..
Question....If the minimum was $1, do you think the pool amount would be
A. More
B. Same
C. Less

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I suggested a 1 cent minimum....wouldn't that increase handle even more?

Come on. Thats a straw man argument...

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by thespaah

And I imagine your contention is that the dime minimum "allows" too many people into the pool?
Sort of like, "they don't belong there"?..
Question....If the minimum was $1, do you think the pool amount would be
A. More
B. Same
C. Less

My beef is that if you lower the amounts, you make the bet easier to hit, there are plenty of easy to hit bets, why take a hard to hit bet and make it easier?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by thespaah

Come on. Thats a straw man argument...

If the goal is to make the bet easy/easier to hit, why not make it 1 cent, that way, everyone can win, isn't that the goal of tracks who lower minimums, to get everyone to win?

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

My beef is that if you lower the amounts, you make the bet easier to hit, there are plenty of easy to hit bets, why take a hard to hit bet and make it easier?

Concurring with another poster.....The lower minimum helps increase the handle...
Look, the pick 5 is a hard bet to hit. The min in some jurisdiction is $0.20.
At Meadowlands, the pick 5 rules allow for conso payoff and a carry over.
There are pools in that bet topping $500,000.. If hard to hit bets are your thing, bet those.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

My beef is that if you lower the amounts, you make the bet easier to hit, there are plenty of easy to hit bets, why take a hard to hit bet and make it easier?

Ok...its like playing a shorter golf course.
In order to score well, you still have to hit shots and make putts.
With the dime super, 50 cent pick 4's and 20 cent pick 5's, you still have to pick the correct horses.
Yeah, its "shot gun" wagering in that one can spread their wagers into many more combos.....Truthfully, there is less "handicapping" involved hitting multi horse vertical bets than hard hitting homework....
if the wager mins are more than the average budget can handle, they won't bet it.

[Dark Horse]

Cold 'cheating trainers' superfecta just now in R5 at SA. Not that hard with five red flagged in a field of nine.

[whodoyoulike]

I find this a very timely bump considering I've been recently thinking about this type of wager. Figures SRU would have thought about it before me and would be the one to bump it up.

Thanks JohnGalt1 for mentioning they started it in Cali around 1995, when I stopped betting exoticas I don't think they were offered which is the reason I've never paid any attention to them until now.

[InsideTheRaces.com]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

7 horse field. Results were 2-1 over 3-1 over 20-1 over 40-1. The 3 horses out of the super were: 6-5, 6-1 and 24-1.

What's a fair price for a buck.

Thanks.

You should have played the .10 super race 8 at golden gate today $3,055.75

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by InsideTheRaces.com

You should have played the .10 super race 8 at golden gate today $3,055.75

Yikes! Great price considering winner was only 5-1

[NorCalGreg]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

My beef is that if you lower the amounts, you make the bet easier to hit, there are plenty of easy to hit bets, why take a hard to hit bet and make it easier?

Point me in the direction of these "easy-to-hit" bets. I like the sound of that.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by NorCalGreg

Point me in the direction of these "easy-to-hit" bets. I like the sound of that.

Easy to hit bets pay Bubkis, that's the problem.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

My beef is that if you lower the amounts, you make the bet easier to hit, there are plenty of easy to hit bets, why take a hard to hit bet and make it easier?

I totally agree. Arapahoe Park (where super pools might be $1,400) tried the 10 cent super and found the pools were not only less than what they had been, but paltry. In a 10 horse race there are 5,040 combinations. A $1,400 pool of dollar bets covers AT MOST 1,400 combinations. Assume at 10 cents half the combinations are covered, or 2,520. The pool at least has to be $252 and will probably be a little more than that, but it is unlikely to approach $1,400. So maybe they are distributing a $500 pool, which means even if you snag the whole pool you get $375, which is a great ROI for a small investment but still - $375 for a pool shot? Needless to say, they went back to $1 supers.

One big difference between 10 cent and $1 minimums is that you often get payoffs to the "ALL" in 3rd or 4th at the smaller tracks with $1 minimums. I think the possibility of one of the low probability combos coming in can actually drive more investment in the pool. I hit a number of supers by playing ABC/ABC/ALL/(the two longest shots). Basically if I hit the quinella I was a guarantee to hit the super if nobody had the exact winning combo. I'd have passed the bet at 10 cents. I had a few pool shots this way.

I've talked to a number of professionals who have said the 10 cent super was the reason they've stopped putting money in the super pool. That makes sense when you think what they used to do was use their superior capitalization to overpower the pool. Can't do that anymore when anyone can buy a lot of combos cheaply.