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Old 02-23-2012, 10:45 PM   #31
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Going to go with Shared Property in the Risen Star. Really like the work that Amoss has put into him since the Lecomte and he obviously needed that last race.
Of the ones that came out of that race if he truly goes off a higher price than Mr Bowling and Z Dager I'd be tempted. That said, I really don't think I want to try to beat El Padrino and I don't see any other real alternatives outside of Shared Property.
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Old 02-24-2012, 06:23 AM   #32
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Going to go with Shared Property in the Risen Star. Really like the work that Amoss has put into him since the Lecomte and he obviously needed that last race.
Quick Note Shared Property had shoe problems last race also had some other issues.
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:51 PM   #33
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i am not touching this race with a 10 foot pole. el padrino minds me too much of bind. but i can't bet against him either.
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Old 02-24-2012, 06:17 PM   #34
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i am not touching this race with a 10 foot pole. el padrino minds me too much of bind. but i can't bet against him either.
Just because they have the same sire? Their race records don't strike me as all that similar. El Padrino has already been arond two turns twice finishing 3rd in the G-2 Remson and winning at 1 1/16th at Gulfstream. Bind had the huge first out win at six furlongs and then didn't quite get it done stretching out.
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Old 02-24-2012, 07:44 PM   #35
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Turned on HBO and there was that movie again . . . Seabiscuit. Them good and fine folks back then made the game great and always good to see Gary Stevens. I was bettin’ on him when he first came out of Idaho and took his tack to Longacres. Always good to see the “Steve.”
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Been waitin’ for this one. Should be fun to watch and bet.

I like the horse, liked him then and like him now, but I can’t see how he beats the . If you take a look at the pps for the and the compare his pps to the and the runnin' in the Fountain of Youth, the appears to be the classier horse. He lost his first and third by less than a combined two lengths and had he won, he’d be ranked near the top of the Experimental Free Handicap and be considered an elite two-year-old Dual Qualifier. Gotta think he is classier than the numbers indicate and no doubt a class about this group. He comes back in less than a month and that was some concern but his two works were short and strong and he appears to be dialed in tight. May show more early speed.

Who runs 2nd, 3rd and 4th? The Lukas trained number is actually ranked above El Padrino on the EFH and shows two bullets w/a jock switch. If the BCJ didn’t ruin him, he may surprise. The is ranked one pound below the on the EFH and shows two nice works and was closing on the top two in the Lecomte – should be tough w/a decent trip. The horse shows three works, two of them solid while the horse shows one work - don't understand what Jones is thinkin' here; nod goes to the .

I believe it is Mardi Gras weekend there in the Big Easy so ya' gotta think there is gonna be a whole lot of shakin' goin' on - track should be overflowing with people and beer! Maybe the locals will overbet the and the and overlook the and the . If the Pletcher and Ness haters sign in and bet against, maybe I’ll get 2/1.






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Old 02-24-2012, 07:48 PM   #36
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Quick Note Shared Property had shoe problems last race also had some other issues.
Do you know what the issues were?
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Old 02-24-2012, 08:26 PM   #37
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Do you know what the issues were?
Had throat surgery after the race in Keenland,wasnt cranked up his last race,also had shoe issue during the running.
Trainer is high on this colt..im watching but may be worth a flyer at 9/2.

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Old 02-24-2012, 08:27 PM   #38
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Old 02-24-2012, 09:52 PM   #39
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The most interesting aspect of the race is seeing whether a GP horse trained by Pletcher will duplicate this numbers outside of Florida. If not, it could be opening the door to several plays during the spring.
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:44 PM   #40
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Had throat surgery after the race in Keenland,wasnt cranked up his last race,also had shoe issue during the running.
Trainer is high on this colt..im watching but may be worth a flyer at 9/2.
Must have been minor displacing , didn't see he had throat surgey anywhere . thamks Casino.
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:42 PM   #41
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Must have been minor displacing , didn't see he had throat surgey anywhere . thamks Casino.
I was already aware of the surgery after his race at Keeneland and that Shared Property then went back to the farm in Texas after the surgery. The abcess was almost the size of a grapefruit. This had more to do with him coming into the Lecomte than the Risen Star. The work pattern would back this up, but that still doesn't mean that he can beat El Padrino.
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Old 02-25-2012, 12:04 AM   #42
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TLG seemed pretty high on Shared Property before the last, but I think on the National Racing Report seemed to back off it a bit despite feeling he was probably best in here...

Again, I think Shared Property at the right odds makes some sense, but beating El Padrino just doesn't seem appealing to me. Nothing wrong with sitting out and watching now and again, eh?
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Old 02-25-2012, 12:10 AM   #43
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Best of racin’ luck.

Nothin’ like the Derby Trail. Lookin’ forward to the Risen Star!

My picks in order of preference:

El Padrino............6/5
Mark Valeski........4-1
Shared Property....4-1

Three Yr Old stakes races yielding many high priced winners the last couple of years but not here.


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Old 02-25-2012, 12:44 AM   #44
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My picks in order of preference:

El Padrino............6/5
Mark Valeski........4-1
Shared Property....4-1

Three Yr Old stakes races yielding many high priced winners the last couple of years but not here.


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Pretty fair, in my opinion. Won't be around to see the post-time odds so won't be betting myself. Would love El P at anything better than odds on though. And Shared Property at ML odds or better would be worthy of a wager imo...
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Old 02-25-2012, 07:02 AM   #45
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The most interesting aspect of the race is seeing whether a GP horse trained by Pletcher will duplicate this numbers outside of Florida. If not, it could be opening the door to several plays during the spring.
Agree 100%..

For what its worth same horses who ran in Lecomte i think will come back and run good,

1-Z Dager
2-Mr.Bowling
3-Shared Property
4-Optimizer

El Padrino at 3/5 no thanks.
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