Religion II

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by dnlgfnk

It may be egotistical of me, but I think Box was trying to draw me out into the street at high noon.

Nah...I'm a peacemaker not a warmonger.

[Buckeye]

I'm more of a P38 man myself.

Either you believe or you don't.

There is no proof of the unknowable I'm very sure.

[Light]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Nah...I'm a peacemaker not a warmonger.

Great way to start the New year, lies, lies,lies.

You were against me when I agreed with Jesus that you should turn the other cheek.

You don't believe God forgives certain sinners.

You believe God "punishes".

You don't like when I say I have the love of God and Jesus in me.

You don't understand that to be humble does not mean to boast about it.

Your a Trump supporter. Trump who wants to kick certain peoples asses,individually or collectively.

You feel Israel is "righteous" to indiscriminately kill defenseless Palestinians.

You feel God is "righteous" to kill.

You believe in the death penalty.

You detest that anyone can profess to having peace and love within them unless they conform to your beliefs.

These and other things you stand for are "acts of violence" within you. You are a long way from peace and love.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by Light

You don't like when I say I have the love of God and Jesus in me.

Once and for all Light, you don't know Jesus.....If you did, you would ABSOLUTELY know the Father and the Holy Spirit as well, period.

They are ONE.

[dnlgfnk]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Oh...okay. Geesh and all these years I thought the RCC invented that heresy. But hey...as long as indulgences are coherent, who cares if they're biblically-sanctioned.



I'm not smarting over anything; for you have not made an exegetical case for evolution.

Also, you never answered my question about Adam and Eve. Did they exist or are they part of the Genesis fiction? And was there an actual, historical fall of the human race (as in the entire human race)?

"invented that heresy"

I'll be brief cause it's late, I'm back to working some manana, and you don't like rabbit holes (if it involves developed attempts to explain one's position viv-a-vis your own. If it involves Genesis & non-Darwinian evolution, then it's ok).

It's only an invented heresy if the common sense experience of sin is an invented heresy.

God forgives sin through the merits of Christ (Heb 9:15).

After forgiveness, temporal effects of sin remain. (1 Cor 10:1-22)
Increase by degree in attachments to creatures, physical damage or
damage to human relationships (Mt 5:23), etc. The window I broke
through disobedience was forgiven by my father, but the window was still
broke. Contemplative and active charity form habitual sanctity and make
temporal restitution (pay or fix broken window, e.g.).

We can participate in our own salvation and others'. (Mt 9:2; "when he saw
their faith", forgave paralytic); Mt 10:41, Phil 2:12.
You're attempting to be an instrument of salvation here, others have
mediated to you such as authors of scripture, etc.

[dnlgfnk]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Oh...okay. Geesh and all these years I thought the RCC invented that heresy. But hey...as long as indulgences are coherent, who cares if they're biblically-sanctioned.



I'm not smarting over anything; for you have not made an exegetical case for evolution.

Also, you never answered my question about Adam and Eve. Did they exist or are they part of the Genesis fiction? And was there an actual, historical fall of the human race (as in the entire human race)?

Also, you never answered my question about Adam and Eve. Did they exist or are they part of the Genesis fiction? And was there an actual, historical fall of the human race (as in the entire human race)?[/QUOTE]


Mythopoeic genre does not mean myth as in "fiction". It means symbolic conveying of truths.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by dnlgfnk

"invented that heresy"

I'll be brief cause it's late, I'm back to working some manana, and you don't like rabbit holes (if it involves developed attempts to explain one's position viv-a-vis your own. If it involves Genesis & non-Darwinian evolution, then it's ok).

It's only an invented heresy if the common sense experience of sin is an invented heresy.

God forgives sin through the merits of Christ (Heb 9:15).

After forgiveness, temporal effects of sin remain. (1 Cor 10:1-22)
Increase by degree in attachments to creatures, physical damage or
damage to human relationships (Mt 5:23), etc. The window I broke
through disobedience was forgiven by my father, but the window was still
broke. Contemplative and active charity form habitual sanctity and make
temporal restitution (pay or fix broken window, e.g.).

We can participate in our own salvation and others'. (Mt 9:2; "when he saw
their faith", forgave paralytic); Mt 10:41, Phil 2:12.
You're attempting to be an instrument of salvation here, others have
mediated to you such as authors of scripture, etc.

What did I mess here? Which of these passages teaches the RC doctrine of indulgences?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by dnlgfnk

Also, you never answered my question about Adam and Eve. Did they exist or are they part of the Genesis fiction? And was there an actual, historical fall of the human race (as in the entire human race)?

Mythopoeic genre does not mean myth as in "fiction". It means symbolic conveying of truths.

Really? Look up the definition of "mythopoeia". Then you might want to look up the definition of "myth" -- one of which is "a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence." Batman and Robin are imaginary comic book characters; and that makes them fictional characters.

Tackle the questions, please.

[Light]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Once and for all Light, you don't know Jesus.....If you did, you would ABSOLUTELY know the Father and the Holy Spirit as well, period.

They are ONE.

Yes I know that. The reason I call them separately is the same reason Jesus came here. No one has ever seen God's face. Humans are more acclimated to a face to relate to. Jesus is the human interface to God. The Holy spirit is the energy that resonates in God and in Jesus.

And on your end, do not accuse someone as close to Jesus as I am as not knowing Jesus. You disrespect him and disrespect yourself when you do that.

I would not even accuse the atheists such as Actor as not knowing Jesus even though he doubts his existence. It's irrelevant what one thinks or believes when it comes to the Divine. Because God is within us all and does not discriminate.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by Light

Yes I know that. The reason I call them separately is the same reason Jesus came here. No one has ever seen God's face. Humans are more acclimated to a face to relate to. Jesus is the human interface to God. The Holy spirit is the energy that resonates in God and in Jesus.

And on your end, do not accuse someone as close to Jesus as I am as not knowing Jesus. You disrespect him and disrespect yourself when you do that.

I would not even accuse the atheists such as Actor as not knowing Jesus even though he doubts his existence. It's irrelevant what one thinks or believes when it comes to the Divine. Because God is within us all and does not discriminate.

Either you're a Christian or you're not.....If not, go ahead and start your own religion, steal Jesus, take Vishnu and Buddha while your at it, invent whatever your free will tells you....BTW, Don't ever lecture me on what it means to be a Christian, especially regarding the Keystone, who is Jesus......Just go your separate way from me and don't look back.


You and I have just had our last conversation.....I don't converse with frauds such as yourself. Ignore is well deserved for you.

[Light]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Either you're a Christian or you're not.....If not, go ahead and start your own religion, steal Jesus, take Vishnu and Buddha while your at it, invent whatever your free will tells you....BTW, Don't ever lecture me on what it means to be a Christian, especially regarding the Keystone, who is Jesus......Just go your separate way from me and don't look back.


You and I have just had our last conversation.....I don't converse with frauds such as yourself. Ignore is well deserved for you.

Your anger betrays what's in your heart.

[ReplayRandall]

It's a righteous anger towards the misleading nonsense you spew.....Sweet Dreams.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Light

Yes I know that. The reason I call them separately is the same reason Jesus came here. No one has ever seen God's face. Humans are more acclimated to a face to relate to. Jesus is the human interface to God. The Holy spirit is the energy that resonates in God and in Jesus.

And on your end, do not accuse someone as close to Jesus as I am as not knowing Jesus. You disrespect him and disrespect yourself when you do that.

I would not even accuse the atheists such as Actor as not knowing Jesus even though he doubts his existence. It's irrelevant what one thinks or believes when it comes to the Divine. Because God is within us all and does not discriminate.

Wow! Do you ever stop and listen to yourself when you speak!? You should be the last one to lecture anyone on "disrespect" because that is all you ever do to your "best friend" since you believe virtually nothing he has said in HIS WORD. Yet, Jesus himself held the Word of God in the highest esteem. When one thinks through the implications to that huge dichotomy between you (a "disciple" ?) and your Master (?), once could easily come up with a dozen ways you disrespect Jesus.

And now a short lesson on logic. Just because God is not a respecter of persons (in modern vernacular: not prejudice) does not mean that he is the God of all men in a distributive sense (even your "best friend" taught this!, cf. Mat 22:32; Mk 12:27; Lk 20:38)); nor does it mean that he has to save all men in a distributive sense. All it means is that God has decreed (determined according to the counsel of his own will, cf. Eph 1:11) in "eternity past" to save many people from all tongues, tribes and nations (Rev 7:9).

[Light]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

It's a righteous anger towards the misleading nonsense you spew.....Sweet Dreams.

Your anger shows your spiritual weakness. Because your anger only hurts you, not me.

[Light]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Just because God is not a respecter of persons (in modern vernacular: not prejudice) does not mean that he is the God of all men in a distributive sense (even your "best friend" taught this!, cf. Mat 22:32; Mk 12:27; Lk 20:38)); nor does it mean that he has to save all men in a distributive sense.

Very cheap shot. You know very well that Mat 22:32; Mk 12:27; Lk 20:38 are referencing events in the Bible and not defining who God will save.

What those quotes are saying is that through the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that God blessed all the nations of the world.

You interpret it as God stops his blessings at Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (and their people) and that is reading racism (and elitism) into God. Obviously God is not a racist or he wouldn't have created the other races.

The stupidity of your constantly saying God only saves some people is beyond belief when the incredibly obvious sacrifice of Jesus dying on the cross in the name of all humanity is everywhere.