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03-09-2020, 03:40 PM
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#91
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Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by cj
There are some owners that not only know, they orchestrate this stuff. The trainer is just a pawn sometimes.
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While that's true, that's also what those who are going to defend Servis and Navarro will say.
It's like the "this is the tip of the iceberg" comments (not from you CJ). You have to actually start SOMEWHERE and punish SOMEONE at some point. It always starts with the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully something good will come of this.
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03-09-2020, 03:51 PM
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#92
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Quote:
Originally Posted by castaway01
While that's true, that's also what those who are going to defend Servis and Navarro will say.
It's like the "this is the tip of the iceberg" comments (not from you CJ). You have to actually start SOMEWHERE and punish SOMEONE at some point. It always starts with the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully something good will come of this.
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Also, even if the trainer is a "pawn", the trainer has a legal and ethical obligation not to be one.
We lawyers face this all the time. Client asks us to do something we aren't allowed to do. We're supposed to say "no". And if we say "yes", we are on the hook along with our clients.
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03-09-2020, 03:51 PM
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#93
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Quote:
Originally Posted by castaway01
While that's true, that's also what those who are going to defend Servis and Navarro will say.
It's like the "this is the tip of the iceberg" comments (not from you CJ). You have to actually start SOMEWHERE and punish SOMEONE at some point. It always starts with the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully something good will come of this.
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When I said "this is the tip of the iceberg"...I didn't mean that the punishment should wait until all the cheaters were rounded up. What I meant was...crucify the ones mentioned here...but don't stop there.
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03-09-2020, 03:57 PM
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#94
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03-09-2020, 03:59 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Coolmore
I wonder how much Coolmore paid for half interest in Maximum Security, and how they feel about that now.
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03-09-2020, 04:01 PM
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#96
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Originally Posted by cnollfan
I wonder how much Coolmore paid for half interest in Maximum Security, and how they feel about that now.
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Pending lawsuit? What's our resident lawyer think?
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03-09-2020, 04:21 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by castaway01
While that's true, that's also what those who are going to defend Servis and Navarro will say.
It's like the "this is the tip of the iceberg" comments (not from you CJ). You have to actually start SOMEWHERE and punish SOMEONE at some point. It always starts with the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully something good will come of this.
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Reading the indictments, there really is no way they were pawns here. They are clearly heavily involved.
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03-09-2020, 04:22 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Also, even if the trainer is a "pawn", the trainer has a legal and ethical obligation not to be one.
We lawyers face this all the time. Client asks us to do something we aren't allowed to do. We're supposed to say "no". And if we say "yes", we are on the hook along with our clients.
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Saul Goodman.
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03-09-2020, 04:28 PM
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Location: NJ
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This is an FBI investigation due to simulcast worldwide it is also an international investigation as well that has yielded a lot of damaging information against many involved in this industry. To say we have only hit the tip of the iceberg is probably a correct assumption. Now we can just sit back and await the removal of those involved in this doping scandal. There is one thing for sure a lot of trainers that left Monmouth Park because of Navarro will now return!
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03-09-2020, 04:29 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Reading the indictments, there really is no way they were pawns here. They are clearly heavily involved.
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In this case I agree but as seen by DVM.Grasso, DVM Izhaki, DVM Fishman indictments, unscrupulous vets are as much to blame. There are many more vets that can be named so go after them too.
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03-09-2020, 04:42 PM
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#101
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Originally Posted by cj
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For those that read the linked story earlier in the day, it has been updated in the past half hour with much more information. It provides a bit easier read than the original indictment.
One paragraph that caught my eye (emphasis mine):
The details of a phone conversation between Navarro and “operators of a racing stable in California, for whom Navarro is a trainer” were also released. Discussing the horse Nanoosh, one of the operators on the call was quoted as questioning whether Navarro was “giving them [the operator’s horses] all the s–t” asking later, “Is this horse jacked out? Is he on f–ing pills or are we just f–king-.” Navarro is alleged to have replied “Everything. He gets everything.” Individual 1 cuts short the discussion, saying, “You don’t have to tell me on the phone,” according to the indictment. In his most recent start, the registered owners of Nanoosh were Rockingham Ranch, Zayat Stables LLC and David L. Bernsen. Individual 1 is not identified.
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03-09-2020, 04:44 PM
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#102
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Murray KY
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 76
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Originally Posted by pandy
Gary Contessa may want to rethink his decision to get out of training.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
What little I know of Contessa, he seems like a class act.
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Gary Contessa is a class act, really enjoyed this interview of him at Tampa Bay.* He even gave out a winner he was running the next day at Tampa, a FTS named Chart paid $8.00. Hope he keeps training.
https://www.facebook.com/TampaBayDow...5223555853774/
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03-09-2020, 04:48 PM
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#103
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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One thing I've always thought was a tell tale sign was the recent fad of "training up to races". Trainers that consistently fire big off the bench is a serious red flag in my opinion. The two big name guys here were prolific with it.
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03-09-2020, 04:48 PM
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#104
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foregoforever
For those that read the linked story earlier in the day, it has been updated in the past half hour with much more information. It provides a bit easier read than the original indictment.
One paragraph that caught my eye (emphasis mine):
The details of a phone conversation between Navarro and “operators of a racing stable in California, for whom Navarro is a trainer” were also released. Discussing the horse Nanoosh, one of the operators on the call was quoted as questioning whether Navarro was “giving them [the operator’s horses] all the s–t” asking later, “Is this horse jacked out? Is he on f–ing pills or are we just f–king-.” Navarro is alleged to have replied “Everything. He gets everything.” Individual 1 cuts short the discussion, saying, “You don’t have to tell me on the phone,” according to the indictment. In his most recent start, the registered owners of Nanoosh were Rockingham Ranch, Zayat Stables LLC and David L. Bernsen. Individual 1 is not identified.
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Likely Gary Hartunian of Rockingham Ranch, reputation of being a big time gambler asking if the hrse was locked n loaded.
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03-09-2020, 05:07 PM
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#105
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Join Date: Feb 2018
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Reading through the indicment now, and hope all these guys serve lengthy and hard time.
Curious about something - not sure how you reference an indictment, but bullet point 50.c under count four - did the FBI surreptitiously draw blood from a horse they knew the trainer was going to try and move shortly before he actually moved it? It reads like the horse was drugged on Dec 17 2018 and then moved the day after. The FBI was able to test the horse sometime inbetween there WHILE the trainer was actively trying to avoid the NJRC? That's some next level spy stuff
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