Review of Pace View

[NorCalGreg]

Originally Posted by BCOURTNEY

Does the software accommodate exporting to csv files?

Sorry Courtney, afraid not.

[NorCalGreg]

Pete took your bait and played right into your hands, didn't he Light? And you STILL didn't have to post a single pick from you phantom program.

I still don't know why he would post well over 100 selections in a 5 day period, what was it---110? He says they were his spot plays. Coach posted picks using PACE VIEW yesterday and today---no comment there?

I posted one single PACE VIEW pick yesterday--- No comment on that $15 winner? I posted a pick 4 as my only pace view selection today, with 3 horses in the sequence as suggested win bets--one paid $40.00 to win

I posted 10 PACE VIEW EXACTAS Sunday--40% won with a $1.50+ ROI.

I don't bet 110 races in 5 days...and neither does PETE. The handicappers that know how to use the program know about pace, speed, recency, money management, etc.

The clowns that don't---well, like you, they lack any confidence and bet to show.

Good luck with that 4% mutual fund--if that even exists.

[mjw]

Hello,

I picked up Pace View a couple days ago. Here is my take.

It is a tool.

My handicapping doesn't begin and end with just looking at pace view. I still look at the PPs to credit or discredit horses. If you pick and choose the races you play, I believe both Greg AND Light are correct in saying a positive expectation is achievable.

Pace View:

• Does output solid numbers, and
• Will point to spot plays.

What it can't do is decipher the data for you or make a decision for you. You need to do that based on the information that the program provides, along with your knowledge of the sport.

I like the program and I am going to add it to my toolbox.

mjw

[NorCalGreg]

Originally Posted by mjw

Hello,

I picked up Pace View a couple days ago. Here is my take.

It is a tool.

My handicapping doesn't begin and end with just looking at pace view. I still look at the PPs to credit or discredit horses. If you pick and choose the races you play, I believe both Greg AND Light are correct in saying a positive expectation is achievable.

Pace View:

• Does output solid numbers, and
• Will point to spot plays.

What it can't do is decipher the data for you or make a decision for you. You need to do that based on the information that the program provides, along with your knowledge of the sport.

I like the program and I am going to add it to my toolbox.

mjw

Well said.

[punteray]

MJB

Well said

[NorCalGreg]

Originally Posted by punteray

MJB

Well said

hahahahah...now I know who you are Ray....seen you around lot's of times

Bishop? That's down in Death Valley isn't it?

[Light]

Originally Posted by NorCalGreg

Pete took your bait and played right into your hands, didn't he Light? And you STILL didn't have to post a single pick from you phantom program.

I still don't know why he would post well over 100 selections in a 5 day period, what was it---110? He says they were his spot plays. Coach posted picks using PACE VIEW yesterday and today---no comment there?

I posted one single PACE VIEW pick yesterday--- No comment on that $15 winner? I posted a pick 4 as my only pace view selection today, with 3 horses in the sequence as suggested win bets--one paid $40.00 to win

I posted 10 PACE VIEW EXACTAS Sunday--40% won with a $1.50+ ROI.

I don't bet 110 races in 5 days...and neither does PETE. The handicappers that know how to use the program know about pace, speed, recency, money management, etc.

The clowns that don't---well, like you, they lack any confidence and bet to show.

Good luck with that 4% mutual fund--if that even exists.

Wow, this is a class hike for you. You didn't call me a blowhard or a troll. Although I have nothing against blowhards or trolls.

I just want to say something about this statement you made

Originally Posted by NorCalGreg

well, like you, they lack any confidence and bet to show.

Here is how naive your statement is. Pensacola Pete played 114 races, $228 in and got back $205. A 10% loss. I also monitored his show betting. He got back $214.80 to show. A loss of only 5.7%! His show betting beat his win betting. So it isn't a matter of "having confidence" and being a macho man and betting to win. Its a matter of being smart.

Look, I see guys racking their brains out, sweating exotics and in the end if they make 10% ROI after 5 hours of exhaustive playing, they are happy. I can play 1 single race and get $3.00 to show. A 50% ROI and I've blown them away in 20 minutes. Its a matter of playing smart. Play with your ego and this game will bury you.

[pandy]

Light, not trying to be a wise guy. Do you only bet to show? If so, do you have a minimum odds requirement or do you just try to find a horse that you think will show?

[Light]

Originally Posted by pandy

Light, not trying to be a wise guy. Do you only bet to show? If so, do you have a minimum odds requirement or do you just try to find a horse that you think will show?

Theoretically I have separate bankrolls for show betting and the rest. But in the end they are all co mingled after all for one ROI. My best ROI is from show betting. I watch the show pools a lot before betting and really want $2.80 to show as a minimum. If breakage gets me only $2.60 I'll take it. But if I'm looking at the show pool and I can see its going to be $2.60 or less, then I'll pass.

Because I am always watching the show pool, I get many opportunities to see when a false favorite has a lot to show on him or her. So I will take a risk that the favorite will be out and if I am wrong and the favorite comes in, and I only get $2.20 as a result that's OK too. Because many times that payoff is compensated for when the favorites with a lot of show money runs out.

[Light]

I'd like to add that sometimes I use win betting instead of show betting. I will bet 2 or 3 (max) horses in a race. If I can get 40% return minimum from the collective bet, I'll go in that direction in some cases. It's the same as getting $2.80 to show with potential for more.

[NorCalGreg]

"Wow, this is a class hike for you. You didn't call me a blowhard or a troll. Although I have nothing against blowhards or trolls".

LOL.....you aren't going to bait me into giving you the attention you desperately seek.

You are easily the most anti-social person on this forum.
Good luck with that.

[Winger]

Originally Posted by Light

Finally, sanity. This is all I was asking for. I followed your picks and the first day's results. 17 picks $34 wagered and a .40c loss. I have 2 impressions of this.

First I don't like the 3-17 win rate. If that $17 horses did not win it would not have been good. Most handicappers cannot handle that low win rate mentally.

Second I was impressed with the place and show spots which made $13 and $9.40. That was in part due to the $17 winner so we'll see how it does in days 2 and 3.

But I have just wanted someone to put up picks like you have so I could get a feel of what this software is doing. This is similar to what NCG did back in March and April that did not come out well. So I wanted to see if the software can do better. I am aware 17 races are almost meaningless to evaluate software.

Light, I already posted a string of 100+ plays with a positive ROI using PaceView.

[Tor Ekman]

Originally Posted by Winger

Light, I already posted a string of 100+ plays with a positive ROI using PaceView.

Seems to me that Light is rather dim.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by Winger

Light, I already posted a string of 100+ plays with a positive ROI using PaceView.

And, did you find anything meaningful in your results in helping your handicapping?

I made some suggestions to another poster in his methodology and NCG seemed to get his panties up his crack which I haven't figured out his reasons for being upset since I wasn't criticizing his program.

I think Light has some legit questions / concerns and was trying to determine the best way he could use the program for his use.

[thaskalos]

NorCalGreg thought of a handicapping concept...and he turned it into a piece of computer software which he seeks to sell at a very modest price. Independent tests of a brief nature have been conducted on this software...and the results have predictably proven to be inconclusive; one test showed a profit...while two others showed losses of 10% and 4% respectively. And NorCalGreg has repeatedly stated that his product is a "tool"...which may prove useful when added to the player's existing handicapping arsenal. No-where have I seen Greg claim that his method is a "stand-alone moneymaker at the track"...which is what system-selling shysters have been doing for decades.

So...what seems to be the problem here? Do we really expect NorCalGreg to prove to us conclusively that this system of his is a moneymaker at the track? I bet my bottom dollar that not ever NorCalGreg knows how good this product of his really is. If he really knew that he had a "moneymaker" on his hands...he'd be a fool to sell it even for $3,500.

SO WHAT if it turns out that his system loses 4%-10%? That means that his product still beats the track takeout by a huge margin...without any work done by the user. Is that a small achievement for a $35 price-tag?