Religion II

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

You are an empty suit. You have zilch, nada, nothing. Again ducking supplying your so-called "proof".

Impossible non-existent proof

Answer my question that I presented in 10218. Why do you persist in being so pathetic?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

YOU initially brought up the Resurrection.

You asked for an example. I gave you one.

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And we've been down this Resurrection road before.

Yes, we have.

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Scripture supports it, ...

Scripture proves nothing.

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... scripture names eyewitnesses ...

Whose existence cannot be verified.

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... and Natural Revelation supports the doctrine of the Resurrection with its types and and shadows in the natural world.

Gobbledegook. What the hell does that even mean? What the hell is "Natural Revelation"?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

You asked for an example. I gave you one.

So, then don't lie and accuse me of switching horses in midstream when you provided the examp.e.

Scripture proves nothing.

The evidence therein is far more compelling than your lame theories.

Whose existence cannot be verified.

You mean just like your totally anonymous mystery writers of scripture who invented the Jesus myth?

Gobbledegook. What the hell does that even mean? What the hell is "Natural Revelation"?

Been discussed many, many times over the years. Your mind is shot. Natural Revelation = Reality as we all know it.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Answer my question that I presented in 10218. Why do you persist in being so pathetic?

You just ask irrelevant nonsense to duck your impossible claim for which you bragged about so-called proof.

NO I will not answer anything until you make good on your idiotic proof, that you have been crowing about for weeks , or a month now.

However, I will continue to laugh at you and your hilarious "Fountainheads of time", and absurd "Time minus event"s.

Your circular ad infinitum bleatings and moaning are also quite amusing. And your stammering Ralph is the only thing you have left

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[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Natural Revelation = Reality as we all know it.

Well, well, well. A definition. So how do we know reality?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Irrational Revelation = Reality as I know it.

FTFY

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Answer my question that I presented in 10218

Ok,

http://laffgaff.com/funny-quotes-about-time/

Punctuality is the thief of time. ~ Oscar Wilde

The only way of catching a train I have ever discovered is to miss the train before. ~ G.K. Chesterton

The future is something which everyone reaches at the rate of sixty minutes an hour, whatever he does, whoever he is. ~ C.S. Lewis

Three o'clock is always too late or too early for anything you want to do. ~ Jean-Paul Sartre

No man goes before his time - unless the boss leaves early. ~ Groucho Marx

I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. ~ Douglas Adams



Time flies when you are making fun of screwballs ~ hcap

And some words of advice

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Well, well, well. A definition. So how do we know reality?

Observation? Experience?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

You just ask irrelevant nonsense to duck your impossible claim for which you bragged about so-called proof.

NO I will not answer anything until you make good on your idiotic proof, that you have been crowing about for weeks , or a month now.

However, I will continue to laugh at you and your hilarious "Fountainheads of time", and absurd "Time minus event"s.

Your circular ad infinitum bleatings and moaning are also quite amusing. And your stammering Ralph is the only thing you have left

Of course, you won't answer it because you know that your claim that all human activity is physical in nature is entirely false.

So, I'll answer for you because you will never grow a backbone. Of course human beings can go back in time. We do this all the time mentally. We can do things with our minds that we cannot do physically.

Three of the definitions of "mental" are these: of or relating to the mind (primary definition)

occurring or experienced in the mind.

And of, relating to or being intellectual as contrasted with overt physical activity.

Likewise, in our minds we often conceive of effects prior to causes! Or to wax more Aristotleian -- with our minds, we can indeed cut to the chase and bypass material, formal and efficient causes (which we cannot do physically) and get right to Granddaddy of all Causes -- the Final Cause. For it is the Final Cause that speaks to a thing's purpose, its end to its goal -- indeed to its teleology.

With a little thought (which I certainly don't expect from you,since you have already denied the existence of mental activity!) we can think of many examples. A chess master can see the end from the beginning in his mind by seeing many moves ahead. He's mapped out his strategy and knows its end before ever touching a chess piece to implement the goal he has in his mind. The end game is entrenched in his mind without ever physically touching a chess piece.

This house I'm living in was chosen by my wife. I tasked her with the chore of choosing a house because she had a very specific kind of house in mind. She had a certain kind of kitchen in mind. A certain layout that would separate the master bedroom form the guest bedrooms. A certain kind of family room she wanted. A double-car garage, etc., etc. She had the house mapped out that would suit her purpose. The effect -- the finished product was in her mind, absent any causes! She wasn't thinking in terms of causes but only in terms of effects, a/k/a final causes.

People who design things often get ideas in their minds and the can see the end from the beginning. They can skip all the intermediate causes and jump immediately to the Final Cause and see that that their idea has a practical end -- a purpose.

When we encounter some kind of repair problem, we can often envision in our mind what's needed for a fix because we have the ability to see the end from the beginning. Only when we go to implement the fix physically are we bound to obey the Law of the Four causes in their order prior to reaching the final cause -- the purpose, the end -- the goal.

Just very recently, my handicapping partner in crime programmed a module in his program at my request. He asked that I lay out the design and beam it up to him. It was easy to do because even before I asked him to create the module, I knew the end from the beginning. I had the design, the end, the effect in my mind. I knew the chief end of the particular module and I was able to layout the design in a spreadsheet in short order. What took me a matter of mere seconds to do in my mind, and what took me several minutes to do in spreadsheet, it took my buddy 40 hours to physically accomplish my desired end.

I told you that my answer would be self-evident to all. Well...that is to say, to everyone who isn't simple-minded and acknowledges that human activity isn't just physical in nature.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Of course, you won't answer it because you know that your claim that all human activity is physical in nature is entirely false.

So, I'll answer for you because you will never grow a backbone. Of course human beings can go back in time. We do this all the time mentally. We can do things with our minds that we cannot do physically.

Three of the definitions of "mental" are these: of or relating to the mind (primary definition)

occurring or experienced in the mind.

And of, relating to or being intellectual as contrasted with overt physical activity.

Likewise, in our minds we often conceive of effects prior to causes! Or to wax more Aristotleian -- with our minds, we can indeed cut to the chase and bypass material, formal and efficient causes (which we cannot do physically) and get right to Granddaddy of all Causes -- the Final Cause. For it is the Final Cause that speaks to a thing's purpose, its end to its goal -- indeed to its teleology.

With a little thought (which I certainly don't expect from you,since you have already denied the existence of mental activity!) we can think of many examples. A chess master can see the end from the beginning in his mind by seeing many moves ahead. He's mapped out his strategy and knows its end before ever touching a chess piece to implement the goal he has in his mind. The end game is entrenched in his mind without ever physically touching a chess piece.

This house I'm living in was chosen by my wife. I tasked her with the chore of choosing a house because she had a very specific kind of house in mind. She had a certain kind of kitchen in mind. A certain layout that would separate the master bedroom form the guest bedrooms. A certain kind of family room she wanted. A double-car garage, etc., etc. She had the house mapped out that would suit her purpose. The effect -- the finished product was in her mind, absent any causes! She wasn't thinking in terms of causes but only in terms of effects, a/k/a final causes.

People who design things often get ideas in their minds and the can see the end from the beginning. They can skip all the intermediate causes and jump immediately to the Final Cause and see that that their idea has a practical end -- a purpose.

When we encounter some kind of repair problem, we can often envision in our mind what's needed for a fix because we have the ability to see the end from the beginning. Only when we go to implement the fix physically are we bound to obey the Law of the Four causes in their order prior to reaching the final cause -- the purpose, the end -- the goal.

Just very recently, my handicapping partner in crime programmed a module in his program at my request. He asked that I lay out the design and beam it up to him. It was easy to do because even before I asked him to create the module, I knew the end from the beginning. I had the design, the end, the effect in my mind. I knew the chief end of the particular module and I was able to layout the design in a spreadsheet in short order. What took me a matter of mere seconds to do in my mind, and what took me several minutes to do in spreadsheet, it took my buddy 40 hours to physically accomplish my desired end.

I told you that my answer would be self-evident to all. Well...that is to say, to everyone who isn't simple-minded and acknowledges that human activity isn't just physical in nature.

Holy shit!b Literally!

You lose big time. As we all knew you would. Go back to preaching your backwards religion, instead of backwards time and backwards reality

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Holy shit!b Literally!

You lose big time. As we all knew you would.

Not surprised you would deny reality. Ever since we met on the web, you have consistently proved how willingly you are to deny reality. You lost the moment you said that all human activity is physical in nature. What everyone knows is that that isn't true!

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Not surprised you would deny reality. Ever since we met on the web, you have consistently proved how willingly you are to deny reality. You lost the moment you said that all human activity is physical in nature. What everyone knows is that that isn't true!

You have attempted to prove the brain was spiritual previously. There may be something else other than what we can easily observe, however you might as well prove ghosts.
Regardless bunkt, remembering is not going back in time.

Reminds me off when you thought radiation was not related to matter. Or even "stuff"

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by boxcar

This house I'm living in was chosen by my wife. I tasked her with the chore of choosing a house because she had a very specific kind of house in mind.

You tasked her? Did you mean you "asked" her? Or are you from one of those sects where the man is the big boss and the woman does what she's told?

[hcap]

So let me get this straight box. You remember something like betting the wrong horse. (cause). You proceed to alter (effect) that wrong bet, say 5 years ago? Therefore cause preceded effect as you just proved?

Eh , no wonder you were a successful handicapper.

Oh my gawd 20/20 hindsight WORKS!

Finally your Proof. Q.E.D!
After 3 weeks

Learn that from Ray?

[hcap]

Hey box, in case you don't knows what Q E D means.

QED is an abbreviation of the Latin words "Quod Erat Demonstrandum" which loosely translated means "that which was to be demonstrated". It is usually placed at the end of a mathematical proof to indicate that the proof is complete.

Man did you demonstrate!!