Gun Control poll

[Tom]

The vast majority of rifles used for hunting use larger ammo than that, and do even more damage. The only way to avoid the "difference" he is talking about is to ban rifles.

That's the end game.
That's why you can NEVER trust anything a liberal says - they NEVER negotiate tin good faith - there is always fine print.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Tom

I remember a guy who said that about the communists when he suspended all the rights of Germans in 1933. Then he protected them from the Jews.

And he was elected by popular vote. That's called the tyranny of the majority, something our founders went to great lengths to prevent. Which the "liberals" are going to great lengths to undo.

Ironic, since the term liberal used to mean one who advocated individual freedom and civil liberties being above government.

sometimes you have to protect society as a whole and give up some individual rights to protect the many

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Tom

Then he protected them from the Jews.

First he disarmed them. Next came the biggest mass shooting ever.

In fact, it grew so massive that assault rifles were inefficient.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://twitter.com/andyrichter/stat...54704003760129

The 12 gauge shotgun is "different"... it's capable of firing a 1 1/8 oz projectile at 1500fps and 3100 ft-lbs of energy or 4200 joules... it can literally "kill" your car.

See what I did there?

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Tom

Wayne LaPierre speaking on FOX right now - at National Harbor, MD. GREAT speech, touching on ALL the attacks on our freedom by the liberal loonies.

This guy gets it. I'll post a link if I can find one.

After hearing this guy, I am thinking.....2020.
Sounds better than ANY candidates I have hears in decades.

Voice of freedom rings loud.

To put it politely, Wayne does not have an electable personality. And as time goes on, the person is becoming more and more important than the policies in elections, especially at the national level.

A big point he made is that liberals are very big on passing laws, but very bad at following through on enforcement. So their answer then is to pass more laws. And the impact of most liberal laws is to restrict personal freedom.

LaPierre went on to say that existing laws are being ignored, “Their laws don’t stop illegal criminals from crossing our borders every single day. Their laws don’t stop the scourge of gang violence and drug crime that savages Baltimore, Chicago and every major American community. Their laws haven’t stopped the plague of opioids, the Chinese fentanyl from Mexico that floods American streets and kills victims every single day in this country. No wonder law abiding Americans all over this country revere their Second Amendment freedom to protect themselves more than ever.”

Liberals “don’t care if their laws work or not,” LaPierre said. “They just want to get more laws to get more control over people.

Coverage of the speech here:
http://noisyroom.net/blog/

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

That's the end game.
That's why you can NEVER trust anything a liberal says - they NEVER negotiate tin good faith - there is always fine print.

Half of the images swirling around this stuff don't pass the smell test if you know what your looking at...

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Half of the images swirling around this stuff don't pass the smell test if you know what your looking at...

And if you don't know, the stuff put out there by other equally uninformed people usually sounds credible, especially if it conforms to your preconceived views of the world.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Clocker

And if you don't know, the stuff put out there by other equally uninformed people usually sounds credible, especially if it conforms to your preconceived views of the world.

Hmmm...sounds just like what the left accused the far-right of doing in cases of "crisis actors."

It's all fake news, apparently...all of it.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Clocker

And if you don't know, the stuff put out there by other equally uninformed people usually sounds credible, especially if it conforms to your preconceived views of the world.

It's honestly unfortunate. Education is always the solution.

Your Mini 14 and the Ruger 10/22 are the best examples of people's perception and reality not gelling when it comes to the subject matter.

[davew]

Why is it mass shootings only happen in USA? Is it maybe that is all the news shows us?

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...1981519053008/

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by davew

Why is it mass shootings only happen in USA?

Not quite only here.

From 1966 to 2012, nearly a third of the world's mass shootings took place in the United States. A 2016 study looked at 292 incidents in which four or more people were killed. It found 90 of them occurred in America. Put another way: While the United States has about 5% of the world's population, it had 31% of all public mass shootings.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/healt...rnd/index.html

On a per capita basis, the US ranks 11th in the world.

https://www.investors.com/politics/e...ass-shootings/

[Clocker]

Liberal "logic" on parade:

[barahona44]

Originally Posted by Clocker

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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

Background to that quote actually concerned the right for legislatures to tax("purchase" was to be taken literally).

https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/39024...n-21st-century

[Tom]

Originally Posted by davew View Post
Why is it mass shootings only happen in USA?

Other parts of the world are ahead of he curve, using suicide bombs?

[Show Me the Wire]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --

Declaration of Independence

One cannot fulfill his duty to throw off such government without sufficient arms. If the government has guns the populace need ot posses guns.