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View Poll Results: Do you note the use of a Cornell collar in your handicapping?
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What's a Cornell Collar?
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12-13-2008, 07:43 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Etobicoke, ON, CANADA
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Cornell Collar - Handicapping Angle
Do you note the use of the Cornell collar in your handicapping?
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12-13-2008, 08:22 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 261
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I would if I could.
It is too dificult to determine when the collar is being put on for the first time unless you're there for a paddock inspection. I've raised the question in the past, "why is this equipment change not noted in the pp's?". It's very valuable information. Not all tracks allow the collar. How are you tracking the addition and results?
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12-13-2008, 08:28 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Denver, CO
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Since I voted "what is a cornell collar?" might as well ask. What is it?
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12-13-2008, 08:42 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
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There are only a few tracks that I have personally observed that ever mention cornell collar in their list of daily equipment changes and program changes which would lead me to believe many tracks don't provide this information. Therefore I don't factor in the use of it at all, what's the use if all tracks don't announce it like they would blinkers and medications.
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12-13-2008, 08:50 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Boston+Ocala
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there are some places that don't allow them like mountaineer. i have seen big improvements to some horses after they use them. the most important thing about them is that a trainer must know how to use the collar.
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12-13-2008, 09:52 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Etobicoke, ON, CANADA
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Cornell Collar Instructions
The above link shows how the device is used.
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12-13-2008, 10:18 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Denver, CO
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Thanks! I guess I could have been less lazy and searched.  I can see why people would want to know this information.
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12-13-2008, 11:35 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Ma
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what tracks allow them I'm pretty sure keenland any others??
LL
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12-13-2008, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by lefthandlow
what tracks allow them I'm pretty sure keenland any others??
LL
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I know that every track in Colorado and New Mexico allows them.
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12-14-2008, 07:59 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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They're allowed in MD (Lrl, Pim, Tim).
Nmytwenties, what tracks have you seen that advise of the collar being used?
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12-14-2008, 09:35 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NJ
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I claimed a horse 2 years ago from Maggie Moss, we used the Cornell Collar and the horse won her second time out. I cant tell you for sure if it was this device that aided her breathing as we also had a tongue tie performed. I have read several articles that have suggested the success rate on the Cornell Collar is over 60%. The vet group in Lousiana(LSU) told me that the tongue tie procedure has a success rate of over 80%. The cost was over $1848.00. The Cornell Collar is about $325.00-$400.00.
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12-14-2008, 10:06 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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Tongue Tie?
Please explain the tongue tie procedure you had performed that cost $1,848.
The only tongue tie I've ever seen costs pennies and consists of pantyhose or a cut bandage.
Last edited by JWBurnie; 12-14-2008 at 10:07 AM.
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12-14-2008, 10:06 AM
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Location: Boston+Ocala
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i did a tie-forward on a horse 3 years ago at new bolton, the horse is still running, he's had only 5 wins and about 12 seconds out of 25 races. now he races at the bottom. i have no problem with the procedure, it was good. i learned alot from this horse, and beleive me i have paid for my education.
the most importand thing i learned is that the odds are against you if you start a horse at 3 instead of 2. and that if you start with a sub-par conditioner, you get a sub-par result.
if you are thinking about entering the horse racing business you must have a trainer that you have full confidence in. if you don't than maybe you have a friend that is in the business and you might be able to go partners with him.
limited partnerships are good if you aren't trying to make any money at the game, and just be part of the game. the good ones have good trainers so they get decent results.
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12-14-2008, 10:33 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NJ
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by JWBurnie
Please explain the tongue tie procedure you had performed that cost $1,848.
The only tongue tie I've ever seen costs pennies and consists of pantyhose or a cut bandage.
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The throat latch procedure I had done was a tie back not a simple tie down to hold the tongue in place prior to the race.
Here is the breakdown, the laryngoplasty(prosthetic)cost $665 by itself the ventral was another $100,ISO Induction was $350(approx 1 hour)the rest of the bill was made up of the anti-biotics necessary during and after the procedure the overnight stay including stall set up the catheter placement,mechanical vent, the equine throat wash etc. The cheaper one is the LLewellyn procedure, maybe thats the one you had done.
Last edited by onefast99; 12-14-2008 at 10:39 AM.
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