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04-05-2013, 01:58 PM
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Just another Facist
Join Date: Mar 2002
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Thanks to HANA and BillW......
Since nobody has mentioned it, I am going to recognize the HANA team and BillW for their work.
Thanks guys! And Gals from HANA!
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...etrack-ratings
Remember , this group was born on this board.
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04-05-2013, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
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They rated Oaklawn over Saratoga?
I assume these came out on April 1st?
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04-05-2013, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
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Interesting that the 6 highest rated tracks, Keeneland, Churchill, Gulfstream, Tampa Bay Downs, Kentucky Downs and Sam Houston all offer a 50 cent Pick 5.
I found a Blood-Horse article from 8/10/12 on Kentucky Downs which talks about their reductions in takeout and the addition of two Pick 4's, a Super High Five and a Pick 5.
Vinman
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04-05-2013, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by the little guy
They rated Oaklawn over Saratoga?
I assume these came out on April 1st?
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 Not bad...
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04-05-2013, 03:36 PM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by the little guy
They rated Oaklawn over Saratoga?
I assume these came out on April 1st?
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considering the categories evaluated, I don't find much to quibble with in that comparison.
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04-05-2013, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
considering the categories evaluated, I don't find much to quibble with in that comparison.
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Whatever categories have tracks like Oaklawn and Sam Houston as better than Saratoga are not representing the best interests of horseplayers. I am not knocking those tracks, but I am sure even they understand they aren't Saratoga.
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04-05-2013, 04:52 PM
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I love Kentucky Downs. I think it is as cool a track as we have in this country, and I look forward to playing them every year. I also know I can only bet dollars, else I will seriously skew the multi-pool. Hell, I once took down 70% of an early double pool with a friend of mine and I don't believe we bet $40 between us ( shameless redboard ).
To tell people this is a better track to play than Saratoga is, to be kind, disingenuous.
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04-05-2013, 05:16 PM
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Nothing wrong with Oaklawn, etc as tracks but no one touches Saratoga. Just my opinion.
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04-05-2013, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by the little guy
I love Kentucky Downs. I think it is as cool a track as we have in this country, and I look forward to playing them every year. I also know I can only bet dollars, else I will seriously skew the multi-pool. Hell, I once took down 70% of an early double pool with a friend of mine and I don't believe we bet $40 between us ( shameless redboard ).
To tell people this is a better track to play than Saratoga is, to be kind, disingenuous.
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pick 3,4 tri,and super takeout and slightly smaller avg. field sizethan oaklawn i believe is why saratoga is probably rated lower.
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04-05-2013, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tzipi
Nothing wrong with Oaklawn, etc as tracks but no one touches Saratoga. Just my opinion.
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I'd love Saratoga if they had a better tv view of the races. I understand they have a lot of trees and i think the turf course is raised higher than most, but it's very difficult to trip handicap by tape at saratoga. Big screen blocks some of the view and going into the far turn is a terrible view of tv.
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04-05-2013, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ronsmac
I'd love Saratoga if they had a better tv view of the races. I understand they have a lot of trees and i think the turf course is raised higher than most, but it's very difficult to trip handicap by tape at saratoga. Big screen blocks some of the view and going into the far turn is a terrible view of tv.
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Yeah I can see where trees come into play and what have you for handicapping but I just mean in terms of the fields, the racing stock, the track, the surroundings, the value, the people, you can't get better than Saratoga.
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04-05-2013, 06:30 PM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by tzipi
Yeah I can see where trees come into play and what have you for handicapping but I just mean in terms of the fields, the racing stock, the track, the surroundings, the value, the people, you can't get better than Saratoga.
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Half of those things aren't in the HANA rating if I remember right.
surely not the "track" " the people"
You have to remember what the rating is looking for. I get the argument and Andy makes a very cogent point. He's right. There are two places I have spent many many dollars to travel to. Keeneland and Saratoga. End of story. That tells the tale.
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04-05-2013, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
Half of those things aren't in the HANA rating if I remember right.
surely not the "track" " the people"
You have to remember what the rating is looking for. I get the argument and Andy makes a very cogent point. He's right. There are two places I have spent many many dollars to travel to. Keeneland and Saratoga. End of story. That tells the tale.
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I just mean't overall as a track in that post. Forget people, surroundings,etc, if we are talking about value, racing stock and field size, I want to spend my money at SARATOGA above all.
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04-05-2013, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by the little guy
I love Kentucky Downs. I think it is as cool a track as we have in this country, and I look forward to playing them every year. I also know I can only bet dollars, else I will seriously skew the multi-pool. Hell, I once took down 70% of an early double pool with a friend of mine and I don't believe we bet $40 between us ( shameless redboard ).
To tell people this is a better track to play than Saratoga is, to be kind, disingenuous.
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KD handled $1.51 mm/day for their 2012 meet. I know back in the late 90s (think it was still Dueling Grounds) the handle was much lower, though.
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04-05-2013, 08:04 PM
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It's A Photo-Ying & Yang
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
KD handled $1.51 mm/day for their 2012 meet. I know back in the late 90s (think it was still Dueling Grounds) the handle was much lower, though.
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Where do you get the current handle info?
I found this on the HANA website:
"Important Note: The sortable rankings sheet, with takeout data, pool size and track information, as well as the new sortable payouts sheet, will be uploaded on the HANA website next week."
I'll be looking forward to this sortable data ! 
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