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12-10-2012, 02:58 PM
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Racing Form Detective
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I always wonder what the true cost of the book will be. In other words if there something new in it, how much money will I waste trying to see if it works? Some books are pretty costly.
The thing about Quinn's books is that they are usually little behind the current thought in handicapping. I be shock if that wasn't case here.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
Last edited by Robert Goren; 12-10-2012 at 03:01 PM.
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12-10-2012, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
I always wonder what the true cost of the book will be. In other words if there something new in it, how much money will I waste trying to see if it works? Some books are pretty costly.
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One new idea in any horse racing book can pay for that book many many times over.
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12-10-2012, 03:05 PM
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Racing Form Detective
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One new idea in any horse racing book can pay for that book many many times over.
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Those kind of books are really rare. The Beyers speed rating book was one of the few exceptions. Some of the pace handicapping books would be too if we could ever get good info.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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12-10-2012, 09:18 PM
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I would pay double the price...
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I'll buy two, and sell you one......
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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12-10-2012, 10:50 PM
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why tom,...your really are a gentlemen! 
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12-11-2012, 07:22 AM
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Another New one
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12-11-2012, 09:04 AM
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How can I pass up a handicapping book with more than 400 pages...written by one of the most scholarly authors writing on the subject?
I would pay double the price...
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So how is the book?
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12-11-2012, 09:16 AM
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Just ordered it. I am a handingcapping book addict. Waiting to hear about Quinn's book.
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12-11-2012, 10:08 AM
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How can I pass up a handicapping book with more than 400 pages...written by one of the most scholarly authors writing on the subject?
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Al, he just ordered it yesterday. 
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12-11-2012, 12:11 PM
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Al, he just ordered it yesterday. |
Al must be one of those speed readers...
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12-11-2012, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
Just ordered it. I am a handingcapping book addict. Waiting to hear about Quinn's book.
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Please give a review once you go through it...even though there is a good chance i will order today as I am a handicapping book addict too. Usually this time of year i go back and read the older handicapping books ( pre 1970 ), not sure why, but i do.
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12-11-2012, 01:18 PM
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I'll honestly say it's been kind of funny for me when I've heard people talk about how Quinn is lacking, when they talk about him needing to utilize a level of statistical rigor or more to the point conclusiveness, especially large sample conclusiveness, as if the most effective way to learn to handicap really well involves statistical analysis outside the context of the deductive and inductive feedback loop available to us based upon the fundamental factors most peculiar to horse racing. (ie., form cycle, partly based upon what is for all intents and purposes a constant: basic thoroughbred exertion and recovery physiology, which can be gleaned from observation of small samples)
The only point they could have there is one along the lines of understanding how better to actually use the kind of pattern recognition traynor was talking about and/or more cost-effective and precise ways to find useful meaning within the data we have..and that would be the case only if it were true that the edges in the game able to be gleaned from fundamental understanding (fundamental here NOT mainly meaning "simple") were getting thin to the point where that was necessary...but they are not....and furthermore that is not what most players who are not winning need. If (one of) their main problem(s) is handicapping, they need a better fundamental understanding of the game. It's along the lines of Dick Schmidt's saying; "Nothing works when you use a database.".
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12-11-2012, 01:33 PM
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I can't see how one could like handicapping and not like Quinn's books. He writes his text at the college level. This could be what the problem is.
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12-11-2012, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
I can't see how one could like handicapping and not like Quinn's books. He writes his text at the college level. This could be what the problem is.
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Well, there goes that holiday gift idea! Thanks a lot Al!!!
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12-11-2012, 03:45 PM
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Al must be one of those speed readers... |
What you need the book to read it? I got too excited. New racing books do that to me. Please let us know how you like it. I'll do the same with the Matrix handicapping book.
Thanks
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