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03-07-2017, 12:25 PM
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China is why
we need to have Russia as an ally. China's recent backing of North Korea's aggression toward our allies and effectively saying we cannot protect our allies from North Korean aggression by installing a missile defense system.
Every knows North Korea is a client state of China. Yet China has no problem with its client state acting aggressively in conjunction with China militarizing the China Sea.
China is the real threat, not Russia.
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03-07-2017, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
we need to have Russia as an ally. China's recent backing of North Korea's aggression toward our allies and effectively saying we cannot protect our allies from North Korean aggression by installing a missile defense system.
Every knows North Korea is a client state of China. Yet China has no problem with its client state acting aggressively in conjunction with China militarizing the China Sea.
China is the real threat, not Russia.
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Huh...?
I did not understand anything you were trying to say in your first point.
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03-07-2017, 12:47 PM
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Huh...?
I did not understand anything you were trying to say in your first point.
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Have you been following the current developments in the region relating to North Korea's missile launches and their stated intentions?
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03-07-2017, 12:48 PM
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It is a good thing 0bama gave Iran billions of dollars. Now Iran and North Korea can join forces in their developments.
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03-07-2017, 12:54 PM
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It is a good thing 0bama gave Iran billions of dollars. Now Iran and North Korea can join forces in their developments.
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Actually, they have been prior to Obama's Iranian funding. Obama just gave them the money for easier facilitation.
Does anybody believe the quick advancement of North Korea's in technology since Obama's funding of Iran coincidental? A country which could hardly launch a missile without it exploding on the launch pad can now launch a ballistic missile that can reach Japan.
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03-07-2017, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
Have you been following the current developments in the region relating to North Korea's missile launches and their stated intentions?
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I'll parse for you...
"we need to have Russia as an ally."
Why...?
"China's recent backing of North Korea's aggression toward our allies"
China condemned the launch. Furthermore, Russia gives zero craps about our allies in the region completely rendering your premise useless.
"and effectively saying we cannot protect our allies from North Korean aggression by installing a missile defense system."
Please explain how installing missile defense systems is a declaration we cannot defend our allies.
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03-07-2017, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
Actually, they have been prior to Obama's Iranian funding. Obama just gave them the money for easier facilitation.
Does anybody believe the quick advancement of North Korea's in technology since Obama's funding of Iran coincidental? A country which could hardly launch a missile without it exploding on the launch pad can now launch a ballistic missile that can reach Japan.
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Quick Advancement?!?!?!
Yup... Obama did it...
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03-07-2017, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I'll parse for you...
"we need to have Russia as an ally."
Why...?
"China's recent backing of North Korea's aggression toward our allies"
China condemned the launch. Furthermore, Russia gives zero craps about our allies in the region completely rendering your premise useless.
"and effectively saying we cannot protect our allies from North Korean aggression by installing a missile defense system."
Please explain how installing missile defense systems is a declaration we cannot defend our allies.
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China stated the U.S. sill suffer consequences for installing the missile defense system as China views it as a threat to China. Effectively saying the U.S. should not take measures to defend our allies and our military bases from the missile threats from North Korea or there will be consequences.
China has been aggressive in the South China Sea warning the U.S. not to operate in the area, stole an U.S. underwater drone, built an island military base and now warns the U.S. not to implement a missile defense system to counter real threats from its client state North Korea.
China is our enemy, they are a communist country and have a political ideology which conflicts with our political ideology of a constitutional republic.
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03-07-2017, 01:12 PM
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He sure as *uck aided abetted.
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03-07-2017, 01:13 PM
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Technology costs money, especial ballistic missile technology. It is a intelligence fact Iran and North Korea have been cooperating in their missile programs.
Now Iran has lots of U.S. money thanks to Obama and both countries have substantially advanced in their missile technology.
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03-07-2017, 01:22 PM
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What type of advancement would you quantify, it as from June 2016 of having 4 straight ballistic missiles blow up on the launch pad to having the capability to reach Japan in less than a year with its ballistic missile?
North Korea failed to launch a ballistic missile without it blowing up, on the launch pad, in October and November of 2016.
I call it quick advancement from November 2016, considering North Korea has been trying, for years, without success to develop a ballistic missile. The only new wrinkle is the money given to Iran, its partner, by Obama.
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Last edited by Show Me the Wire; 03-07-2017 at 01:28 PM.
Reason: typo
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03-07-2017, 03:06 PM
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IMO...no other country has shown the aggression that the United States have shown in recent years. The United States have gone to war against other countries without adequate provocation...the United States currently have an entire laundry list of "enemy countries" whom they consider "hostile"...and the United States have the right to launch a "preemptive" attack against these countries...which is a "right" that no other country in the world has attained for itself.
When you are a country that the United States casts an angry eye upon...then, you got a problem. And...you either arm yourself...or you sit there like a sitting duck. Like Iraq was.
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03-07-2017, 03:13 PM
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IMO...no other country has shown the aggression that the United States have shown in recent years. The United States have gone to war against other countries without adequate provocation...the United States currently have an entire laundry list of "enemy countries" whom they consider "hostile"...and the United States have the right to launch a "preemptive" attack against these countries...which is a "right" that no other country in the world has attained for itself.
When you are a country that the United States casts an angry eye upon...then, you got a problem. And...you either arm yourself...or you sit there like a sitting duck. Like Iraq was.
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I agree. That is why I support our current President about the sovereignty of other countries.
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03-07-2017, 04:24 PM
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What type of advancement would you quantify, it as from June 2016 of having 4 straight ballistic missiles blow up on the launch pad to having the capability to reach Japan in less than a year with its ballistic missile?
North Korea failed to launch a ballistic missile without it blowing up, on the launch pad, in October and November of 2016.
I call it quick advancement from November 2016, considering North Korea has been trying, for years, without success to develop a ballistic missile. The only new wrinkle is the money given to Iran, its partner, by Obama.
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North Korea has had the ability to strike Japan for about 9 years.
You have pure speculation that has nothing to do with anything except for an attempt to attack Obama for something involving Iran of all places.
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03-07-2017, 04:37 PM
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North Korea has had the ability to strike Japan for about 9 years.
You have pure speculation that has nothing to do with anything except for an attempt to attack Obama for something involving Iran of all places.
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I have facts. As of November of 2016 North Korea could not successfully launch a ballistic missile and with in a very short time North Korea cannot only successfully launch a ballistic missile but hit a bullet with a bullet (ballistic missile).
The intelligence agencies state Iran and North Korea are cooperating with each other regarding their missile programs.
China threatened the U.S. with consequences for the deployment of a missile defense system in South Korea and Japan.
Missile technology is expensive. Iran who is partnering with North Korea in missile development technology received money from Obama. The intervening circumstance between North Korea's repeated failures in missile technology and its very successful advance in 4 months is Obama's gift of money to Iran.
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