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09-10-2015, 02:07 AM
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NFL starts this weekend.
"Timing is the Essence".... 
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09-10-2015, 08:38 PM
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If Christie removes the stuff about having it only at racetracks, etc, and the prohibition on NJ college teams, he might have had a chance.
If you are going to just not make it illegal, you have to accept that bookies taking bets on Rutgers games would be ok.
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09-11-2015, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Hambletonian
If Christie removes the stuff about having it only at racetracks, etc, and the prohibition on NJ college teams, he might have had a chance.
If you are going to just not make it illegal, you have to accept that bookies taking bets on Rutgers games would be ok.
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He can't as that would theoretically involve a licensing agency. The arguement NJ has put forth is by allowing private casinos and racetracks to offer sports betting as long as the state didn't sponsor or regulate it would give NJ's casinos and racetracks the much needed revenue boost to continue, without it these entities are susceptible to failure and as we have seen in Atlantic City closure.
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Last edited by onefast99; 09-11-2015 at 12:38 PM.
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09-11-2015, 11:29 PM
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the problem is that by limiting sports betting to those entities he is in fact regulating it, just as he is by not allowing folks to bet on Rutgers.
it really is so silly it is hard to believe they were serious.
nj's argument was that if they remove the prohibition and do not license it they are not sponsoring sports betting...but if they tell you where and on who they certainly are in fact regulating it.
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09-12-2015, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by onefast99
He can't as that would theoretically involve a licensing agency. The arguement NJ has put forth is by allowing private casinos and racetracks to offer sports betting as long as the state didn't sponsor or regulate it would give NJ's casinos and racetracks the much needed revenue boost to continue, without it these entities are susceptible to failure and as we have seen in Atlantic City closure.
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I'm a bit perplexed why our governor hasn't made this an issue on his campaign trail. It seems to me he hasn't so I'm going to assume he's going through the motions so he can suck up money for his presidential bid.
He also hasn't worked with the senate and house representatives to the best of my knowledge. I know the majority is from the opposing party this is an issue that both sides of the aisle can work on together.
He has really screwed north and central Jersey waiting for Atlantic City to bail itself out which has become fairly evident that it's a PIPE DREAM.
Btw for those who think I'm making this a political issue or vendetta I VOTED for Christie.
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09-12-2015, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
I'm a bit perplexed why our governor hasn't made this an issue on his campaign trail. It seems to me he hasn't so I'm going to assume he's going through the motions so he can suck up money for his presidential bid.
He also hasn't worked with the senate and house representatives to the best of my knowledge. I know the majority is from the opposing party this is an issue that both sides of the aisle can work on together.
He has really screwed north and central Jersey waiting for Atlantic City to bail itself out which has become fairly evident that it's a PIPE DREAM.
Btw for those who think I'm making this a political issue or vendetta I VOTED for Christie.
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The issue isn't as political as you may think. It is actually something the Supreme Court should have heard but continues to deflect it to the lower courts. NJ's casinos and racetracks have the ability to do sports wagering based on how the bills(s)were initially written and then re-written. The third circuit has now ruled on this twice they cannot have a three judge panel rule on this they need all 23 judges to rule on it, why? Because the ruling will eventually open the doors to every other state to follow suit and legalize sports wagering in some way shape or form. The sad part is the courts seem to look at the fantasy sports leagues as a non-betting entity where it is more like a lottery, based on how it is played. That is a crock of crap and only gives more ammunition to the state of NJ to get sports wagering approved.
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09-12-2015, 01:05 PM
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Didn't NJ have the opportunity to vote on sports betting when the federal law was passed. They voted no.The law then went into effect banning sports betting everywhere except Nevada and I think delaware {not direct but the cards}.I'm not a lawyer so I don't get how they have a shot in Federal court?
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09-12-2015, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Secondbest
Didn't NJ have the opportunity to vote on sports betting when the federal law was passed. They voted no.The law then went into effect banning sports betting everywhere except Nevada and I think delaware {not direct but the cards}.I'm not a lawyer so I don't get how they have a shot in Federal court?
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We will still be talking about this 10 years from now, New Jersey had their chance and blew it.
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09-13-2015, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by onefast99
The issue isn't as political as you may think. It is actually something the Supreme Court should have heard but continues to deflect it to the lower courts. NJ's casinos and racetracks have the ability to do sports wagering based on how the bills(s)were initially written and then re-written. The third circuit has now ruled on this twice they cannot have a three judge panel rule on this they need all 23 judges to rule on it, why? Because the ruling will eventually open the doors to every other state to follow suit and legalize sports wagering in some way shape or form. The sad part is the courts seem to look at the fantasy sports leagues as a non-betting entity where it is more like a lottery, based on how it is played. That is a crock of crap and only gives more ammunition to the state of NJ to get sports wagering approved.
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It's very rare that the full panel of judges will override the earlier decision. It happens but usually on the west coast where that ultra left 9th circuit court keeps making decisions that make no sense. They get overruled so often my pet cat could win a brief against them.
As you know I hope I'm wrong but Christie enacting a bill if he was elected would be fairly simple. It could actually be commingled with sports fantasy which is 100% gambling no matter what the law says. A smart person (not me) could have a bill polished within a week. Usually I wouldn't want to get the government involved but their ads about matching your deposit is fraud. A uniform set of rules with MINIMAL interference would be just fine with me. Racing says bet $200 get $200 and doesn't try to rip off their new customers. Racing's language is in plain english I commend them for that.
I suggest you read this and see how hard it is to get a case about sports betting reheard.
A closer look at the Third Circuit’s recent en banc cases
http://thirdcircuitblog.com/judges/a...en-banc-cases/
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09-13-2015, 10:25 AM
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at the end of the day, legal sports betting will not spread because the profit margin is so thin it is not worth the financial or political capital to try and work it through
it is just an attractive amenity...
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09-14-2015, 02:15 PM
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As I sated this is a political football in a Presidential election year that the Supreme Court doesn't want to hear and is deflecting it to the third circuit, in other words the third circuit will be asked(in a firm way)get all hands on deck and put this thing to rest!
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09-14-2015, 02:22 PM
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at the end of the day, legal sports betting will not spread because the profit margin is so thin it is not worth the financial or political capital to try and work it through
it is just an attractive amenity...
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Excellent... Then Ill continue betting offshore and in return I wont have to pay any taxes on my winnings.
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09-14-2015, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Hambletonian
at the end of the day, legal sports betting will not spread because the profit margin is so thin it is not worth the financial or political capital to try and work it through
it is just an attractive amenity...
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NJ is using it as a tool to get more people into the casinos in AC and the racetracks. If you get a minute read the article I linked from NJ.com
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...orts_bett.html
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09-14-2015, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Hambletonian
at the end of the day, legal sports betting will not spread because the profit margin is so thin it is not worth the financial or political capital to try and work it through
it is just an attractive amenity...
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But it's deeper than that. Even if sports betting is a loss leader do you know how much admissions, parkings, food and alcohol will be served on a Sunday in October? They're going to make major money just by getting humans who want to bet sports into the buildings and if you make anything off the actual sports bets its gravy.
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